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Chulin 12


(a) What does Rav Nachman Amar Rav rule in a case where Reuven sees Shimon Shechting an animal?

(b) What problem do we have with that ('Mah Nafshach')?

(c) On what grounds do we even have difficulty in establishing Rav Nachman in a case where Reuven does not know whether Shimon is conversant with Hilchos Shechitah or not?

(a) This is based on a Beraisa.
What does the Tana say in a case where someone ...
  1. ... finds a Shechted chicken in the street?
  2. ... asks a Sheli'ach to Shecht an animal for him, and he later finds that it has been Shechted?
(b) We conclude that Rav Nachman is speaking in a case where Shimon is not conversant with the Dinim of Shechitah.
Then what is the Chidush? Why might we have thought that his Shechitah is nevertheless Kasher (even without having observed the entire Shechitah)?

(c) Why do we not assume that?

(a) When Rav Dimi bar Yosef asked Rav Nachman what the Din will be if Reuven asks Shimon to Shecht his animal and he later finds it Shechted, or if he asks him to separate Terumah and later finds it separated, he replied that the animal has a Chezkas Shechutah.
What did he reply regarding the She'eilah about Terumah?

(b) What problem did Rav Dimi bar Yosef have with Rav Nachman's seemingly contradictory rulings? How did he query it 'Mah Nafshach'?

(c) What did the latter mean when he said 'Lechi Teichal Alah Kura de'Milcha'?

(d) If, as Rav Nachman concluded, one cannot assume that a Sheli'ach always fulfills his Shelichus, then why did he declare the Shechitah Kasher?

(a) In a case where someone lost his kid-goats or chickens, and found them Shechted, Rebbi Yehudah forbids them.
What does Rebbi Chanina b'no shel Rebbi Yossi Hagelili say?

(b) According to our initial understanding of Rebbi's statement, under which circumstances does Rebbi prefer the ruling of ...

  1. ... Rebbi Yehudah?
  2. ... Rebbi Chanina b'no shel Rebbi Yossi Hagelili?
(c) What is then the basis of their Machlokes?
(a) Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak maintains that both Tana'im agree that 'Rov Metzuyin Eitzel Shechitah Mumchin Hein'.
What would they then say if the Shechted animal had been found ...
  1. ... in the house?
  2. ... in a trash-heap in the street?
(b) In which case then, are they arguing? What is the basis of their Machlokes?

(c) What is the reason of Rebbi Chanina b'no shel Rebbi Yossi Hagelili? Why would a person not throw his Neveilah on to the trash-heap in his house?

(a) What do we initially think Rebbi means when he says that he prefers the ruling of ...
  1. ... Rebbi Yehudah, where the Shechted animal was found in a trash-heap in the street?
  2. ... Rebbi Chanina b'no shel Rebbi Yossi Hagelili, where it was found in the house?
(b) What problem does this create?

(c) How do we therefore amend Rebbi's statement? What does he really mean when he says that he prefers the ruling of ...

  1. ... Rebbi Yehudah, where the Shechted animal was found in a trash-heap in the street?
  2. ... Rebbi Chanina b'no shel Rebbi Yossi Hagelili, where it was found in the house?
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(a) What does Rava extrapolate from the fact that our Mishnah states (with regard to the Bedi'eved of a 'Chashu') 'Shema Yekalklu es Shechitasan' (in the future), rather than 'Shema Kilkelu ... ' (in the past)?

(b) Our Mishnah concludes, 've'Chulan she'Shachtu va'Acherim Ro'in Osam, Shechitasan Kesheirah'.
To which case is Rava referring when he asks which Tana does not require Kavanah for Shechitah?

(c) If 've'Chulan she'Shachtu ... Shechitasan Kesheirah' pertains to 'Chashu', how will we explain the Kashya above (with reference to this very statement) 'I Neima a'Chashu', Alah Ka'i' ('ve'Im Shachtu Miba'i Lei'), implying that it does not?

(d) Based on a statement of Oshaya Ze'ira from the B'nei Yeshivah, Rava establishes the author as Rebbi Nasan.
What did Oshaya Ze'ira say in the name of Rebbi Nasan, about someone who threw a knife to stick into a wall?

(a) What do the Chachamim of Rebbi Nasan say?

(b) What did Rava comment on this Machlokes?

(c) How do we reconcile this ruling with the Halachah that requires Holachah and Hova'ah by Shechitah? What is Holachah and Hova'ah?

(d) How else might we answer the Kashya, dispensing with the need with Holachah and Hova'ah altogether?

(a) Rebbi Chiya bar Aba cited Rebbi Yochanan, who asked whether a Katan 'has a Machshavah' or not.
What did he mean by that? What is the case?

(b) And what did Rebbi Ami mean when he countered by asking why Rebbi Yochanan did not ask whether the Katan 'has a Ma'aseh' on not? What is the case?

(c) His Kashya was really based on a Mishnah in Keilim.
What does the Tana rule in a case where children made a hole in an acorn, a pomegranate or a nut in order to fill it with earth? Why did they do this?

(d) Under what condition is the acorn Tamei?

(a) What does the Mishnah rule with regard to Machshavah? What is the case?

(b) What is now Rebbi Ami's Kashya on Rebbi Yochanan?

(c) What was Rebbi Chiya bar Aba's reply? What was in fact, Rebbi Yochanan's She'eilah?

(d) Why might such a Machshavah ...

  1. ... be considered as good as a Ma'aseh?
  2. ... not be considered as good as a Ma'aser?
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