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Chulin 13


(a) What does the Mishnah in Machshirin say about someone who moves 'fruit' (beans or lentils) on to the roof to prevent them from becoming infested with lice, and dew falls on them?

(b) Under what condition would they become subject to Tum'ah?

(c) Will it suffice for the owner to have this intention after he has placed them on the roof?

(d) Until when will his Machshavah be effective?

(a) What does the Mishnah say about a Chashu who carries the 'fruit' up on to the roof?

(b) How does Rebbi Yochanan qualify this latter ruling? In which case will even the Tana agree that the 'fruit' is subject to Tum'ah?

(c) How do we know that Rebbi Yochanan is speaking in a case where the child did not say anything?

(d) How do we reconcile this ruling with Rebbi Yochanan's previous She'eilah? Having taught us that a Ma'aseh which indicates is considered a Ma'aseh (with regard to carrying fruit on to the roof), why does he ask a She'eilah regarding transporting a Korban from the south of the Azarah to the north?

(a) In the second Lashon, Rebbi Yochanan asks whether a Katan has Ma'aseh or not.
What will he hold with regard to Machshavah?

(b) His ruling with regard to Machshavah indicates that he knew the Mishnah in Machshirin. In that case, why did he ask whether a Katan has a Ma'aseh?
Why did he not learn that too, from the Mishnah?

(c) What does Rebbi Yochanan conclude regarding ...

  1. ... Ma'aseh?
  2. ... Machshavah?
  3. ... Machshavto Nikeres mi'Toch Ma'asav?
(a) Shmuel asked Rav Huna for the source which invalidates Mis'asek by Kodshim.
What is 'Mis'asek'?

(b) What did Rav Huna learn from the Pasuk in Vayikra "Ve'shachat es ben ha'Bakar"?

(c) Why did he then quote the Pasuk in Kedoshim "li'Retzonchem Tizbachuhu"?

(a) Our Mishnah considers the Shechitah of a Nochri Neveilah.
What does the Tana add to that?

(b) Will it make any difference if a Yisrael supervises his Shechitah?

(c) What do we extrapolate from the fact that the Tana stops at 'Metamei be'Masa'? What might he have added to that?

(d) Consequently, Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan establishes our Mishnah not like Rebbi Eliezer.
On what grounds would Rebbi Eliezer have added that the animal is Asur be'Hana'ah?

(a) Rebbi Ami extrapolates from the Mishnah that the Shechitah of a Miyn (an apostate) is for Avodah-Zarah.
To what sort of Miyn is he referring?

(b) Does he argue with Rebbi Chiya bar Aba?

(c) A Beraisa corroborates the inference from the Mishnah. The Tana there considers the bread of a Miyn Pas Kuti (Akum), and his wine Yayin Nesach. Which two Chumros does the Tana Kama add to that?

(d) Some say (Rebbi Nasan) that his children are Mamzerim too.
On what grounds does the Tana Kama disagree with him?

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(a) We ask why our Mishnah does not declare an animal Shechted by a Nochri, Asur be'Hana'ah.
What does Rav Nachman Amar Rabah bar Avuhah answer?

(b) How do we amend his initial answer? Why do we need to do this?

(c) This in turn, is based on a statement by Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan.
What did he say about Nochrim in Chutz la'Aretz (see Tosfos DH 'Nochrim').

(d) What does Rav Yosef bar Minyumi Amar Rav Nachman say about Nochri Miynim?

(a) Why can Rav Yosef bar Minyumi not be referring to ...
  1. ... their Shechitah?
  2. ... the Din of Moridin? What does 'Moridin' mean?
(b) Then what is Rav Yosef bar Minyumi referring to?

(c) This conforms with a D'rashah of Rav Ukva bar Chama. What does Rav Ukva bar Chama learn from the Pasuk in Vayikra "Adam Ki Yakriv *Mikem* Olah" (besides precluding a Mumar Yisrael from bringing a Korban)?

(d) How does he know that the Pasuk is not coming to preclude a Nochri from bringing a Korban altogether ("Mikem", 've'Lo Nochri' [even a Tzadik]).

(a) What problem do we have with our Mishnah adding 'u'Metam'ah be'Masa'?

(b) Rava extrapolates from here that there is something else that is Metam'ah even more than be'Masa, according to Rebbi Yehudah ben Beseira. What is that something else? What more is it Metam'ah?

(c) In the second Lashon, Rava establishes our Mishnah not like Rebbi Yehudah ben Beseira.
What does he then extrapolate from our Mishnah?

(d) What does Rebbi Yehudah ben Beseira in a Beraisa, learn from the Pasuk in Tehilim "Va'yitzamdu le'Ba'al Pe'or Va'yochlu Zivchei Meisim"?

(a) What does our Mishnah say about a Shechitah that is performed at night-time or by a blind person?

(b) How does this Mishnah clash with the Beraisa 'Le'olam Shochtin, bein ba'Yom u'vein ba'Laylah'?

(c) How does Rav Papa establish the Beraisa, to resolve the discrepancy?

(d) How do we support this answer from 'bein ba'Yom' (in the Beraisa) and 've'Chein ha'Suma' (in our Mishnah)?

(a) What does the same Beraisa say about Shechting on a roof or in a boat?

(b) On what grounds does the Mishnah in 'ha'Shochet' forbid Shechting into ...

  1. ... the sea or into a river?
  2. ... a K'li?
(c) Shechting in a boat clearly appears to clash with the Mishnah in 'ha'Shochet' (which forbids Shechting into the sea).
What is the problem with Shechting on the roof into a K'li, from there?

(d) How do we resolve both problems with one answer?

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