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Chulin 14

CHULIN 14-15 - Two weeks of study material have been dedicated by Mrs. Estanne Abraham Fawer to honor the fourth Yahrzeit of her father, Reb Mordechai ben Eliezer Zvi (Weiner), who passed away 18 Teves 5760. May the merit of supporting and advancing Talmud study during the week of his Yahrzeit serve as an Iluy for his Neshamah.


(a) What does our Mishnah say about someone who Shechts on Shabbos or on Yom Kipur?

(b) What did Rav Huna, quoting ... in the name of Rav say, that caused the B'nei Yeshivah to establish the Mishnah like Rebbi Yehudah?

(c) Is it not obvious that the meat is Asur for the duration of Shabbos, since there is no way in which he will be permitted to cook it?

(d) From where did Rav derive his statement?

(a) Rebbi Aba suggests that Rav is referring to Rebbi Yehudah in the Mishnah in Beitzah.
The Tana Kama permits cutting up a pumpkin for an animal or a carcass for dogs, on Shabbos.
What does Rebbi Yehudah say?

(b) How does that tie up with Rav's ruling?

(c) On what grounds does Abaye reject Rebbi Aba's connection? In what way are the pumpkin and the carcass different than the animal in our Mishnah?

(d) How do we try to refute Abaye's distinction? How did we apparently misconstrue the purpose of a live animal?

(a) What problem will this present us with, regarding Rebbi Yehudah eating meat on Yom-Tov?

(b) We answer that an animal is designated for rearing and for eating.
How does that explain ...

  1. ... Rebbi Yehudah eating meat on Yom-Tov?
  2. ... why the animal is Muktzah in our Mishnah, according to Rav?
(c) On what grounds do we reject this answer? What is wrong with applying 'B'reirah' here?
(a) Initially, we try to prove that Rebbi Yehudah does not hold of 'B'reirah', by citing a Beraisa, which discusses someone who purchased a hundred Lugin of wine from Kutim just before Shabbos. How much wine is he obligated to separate for Terumah Gedolah, Ma'aser Rishon and Ma'aser Sheini respectively?

(b) How does Rebbi Meir rule regard the purchaser separating ...

  1. ... Terumah and Ma'aser Rishon?
  2. ... Ma'aser Sheini?
(c) Why did the Chachamim not allow him to rely on Bereirah with regard to Ma'aser Sheini, like they do by Terumah and Ma'aser Rishon?
(a) What do Rebbi Yehudah, Rebbi Yossi and Rebbi Shimon say? What do we try to prove from here?

(b) How do we counter this proof? What did the three Tana'im say to Rebbi Meir?

(c) And what did Rebbi Meir reply?

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(a) So we quote Rebbi Yehudah in the Beraisa cited by Ayo, with reference to another Beraisa.
What do the Chachamim there say about someone who places an Eruv on the east side of the town and one on the west ...
  1. ... because he is not sure on which side the Chacham who will Darshen on Shabbos will arrive?
  2. ... in a case where two Chachamim are arriving, and he has not yet decided which D'rashah he will attend?
(b) With which case does Rebbi Yehudah there agree/disagree?

(c) Why is Rebbi Yehudah's distinction difficult to understand?

(d) How does Rebbi Yochanan therefore establish the Beraisa?

(a) How does Rebbi Yochanan's interpretation of the Beraisa refute the proof that Rebbi Yehudah does not hold of B'reirah?

(b) Rav Yosef connects Rav to a Mishnah in Shabbos, which discusses the Din of broken vessels on Shabbos.
Under what condition does the Tana Kama permit the use of the broken pieces?

(c) What does Rebbi Yehudah say?

(d) How will this explain Rav's ruling, forbidding the Shechted animal for the duration of Shabbos?

(a) How does Abaye refute Rav Yosef's explanation? Why are broken pieces of vessel and a Shechted animal not comparable?

(b) So we turn to a Mishnah in Shabbos. What does the Tana Kama there say about ...

  1. ... squeezing fruit on Shabbos?
  2. ... liquid that seeped out of food by itself on Shabbos?
(c) How does Rebbi Yehudah qualify the Tana Kama's ruling? Under which circumstances is the liquid permitted?

(d) What did Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel say about baskets of grapes and olives according to Rebbi Yehudah? What does that prove?

(a) We reject this explanation on the basis of the act that it is Rav's statement that we are attempting to corroborate.
What did Rav say about baskets of grapes and olives according to Rebbi Yehudah?

(b) What is then the problem?

(a) So Rav Sheishes (perhaps it ought to be Rav Shisha) b'rei de'Rav Idi cites a Beraisa in Shabbos. Rebbi Yehudah there allows moving a new earthenware lamp.
What does he say about an old one? Why the difference?

(b) What does this prove?

(c) How do we refute this proof, too?

(d) And how do we refute the proof (that Rebbi Yehudah is the one who is stringent with regard to Muktzah), from another Beraisa, where he forbids moving a lamp that was lit on that Shabbos (even after it has gone out), because of 'Muktzah Machmas Mitzvah'?

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