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Chulin 28

CHULIN 28-30 - Ari Kornfeld has generously sponsored the Dafyomi publications for these Dafim for the benefit of Klal Yisrael.


(a) We ask on Rav Yehudah in the name of Rebbi Yitzchak ben Pinchas ('Ein Shechitah le'Of min ha'Torah) from a Beraisa, which rules that if a Kohen performs Melikah using a knife, the bird is Metamei Begadim a'Beis ha'Beli'ah.
Why is that?

(b) What Kashya does this pose on Rav Yehudah?

(c) We answer that Rav Yehudah holds like the Tana of the following Beraisa. What problem does Rebbi Elazar ha'Kapar b'Rivi have with the Pasuk in Re'ei (in connection with Pesulei ha'Mukdashin) "Ach Ka'asher Ye'achel es ha'Tzevi ve'ha'Ayal ... "?

(d) So he inverts the Limud.
In which regard does he learn Tz'vi ve'Ayal from Pesulei ha'Mukdashin'?

(a) The Tana who argues with Rebbi Elazar ha'Kapar b'Rivi is Rebbi.
What does Rebbi learn from the Pasuk there "Ve'zavachta Ka'asher Tzivisicha"?

(b) What does he include in this Besides the obligation to Shecht the Veshet and the Kaneh?

(c) What does this prove?

(a) According to Rav Nachman, when Shechting a bird, the Shochet may Shecht whichever Si'man he pleases.
What does Rav Ada bar Ahavah say?

(b) If Rav Nachman interprets 'Echad be'Of' to mean 'Echad Kol de'Hu' (any one), how does Rav Ada bar Ahavah interpret it?

(c) How do we know that the Veshet is indeed 'special'?

(a) We ask on Rav Nachman from a Beraisa.
What does the Tana say about a case where the Kaneh of a bird ...
  1. ... became disconnected after the Veshet was Shechted?
  2. ... was found to have been disconnected before the Shechitah took place?
  3. ... was found to be disconnected, but it could not be ascertained whether this took place before the Shechitah or after it?
(b) What is now the Kashya on Rav Nachman?

(c) How do we answer the Kashya? According to Rav Nachman, why indeed *does* the Tana only talk about the Shechitah of the Veshet?

(a) What does another Beraisa say about a Shochet who Shechted two half-Simanim of a bird or of an animal?

(b) Rebbi Yehudah requires him to Shecht the Veshet plus the Varidim.
How will Rav Nachman explain the fact that Rebbi Yehudah mentions specifically the Veshet and not the Kaneh?

(a) What does yet another Beraisa say about a Shochet who Shechts half the Gargeres (alias the Kaneh), to complete it only after waiting the time it takes to Shecht?

(b) What is the reason for this ruling?

(c) How will Rav Ada bar Ahavah (who requires the Shechitah of a bird's Veshet) explain this Beraisa? What does the Tana mean when he speaks about completing 'it'?

(d) And by the same token, how will he explain the Beraisa which, with reference to a case where half the Kaneh has already been cut, adds 'Hosif Alav Kol-she'Hu ve'Gamro'? What does 've'Gamro' mean?

(a) We have already cited the Beraisa (in the previous Perek), which, regarding the Melikah of a Chatas ha'Of, requires breaking through the spinal cord and the neck without Rov Basar, before cutting 'the Kaneh or the Veshet'.
How will we reconcile Rav Ada bar Ahavah with this Beraisa?

(b) How do we then justify the question 'Mai Havi Alah?' (whether one is obligated to Shecht the Veshet of a bird or whether the Kaneh will do)?

(a) We solve the problem by citing a case of a duck that was brought before Rava with its neck full of blood.
What was the problem there? Why might the bird ...
  1. ... not have been Tereifah?
  2. ... have been Tereifah?
(b) So why could they not simply ...
  1. ... Shecht the duck and then inspect it?
  2. ... inspect it and then Shecht it?
(c) What solution did Rav Yosef, Rava's son, come up with?

(d) How did Rava praise him? What might he have meant when he compare him to Rebbi Yochanan?

(e) What have we proved from this episode?

Answers to questions



(a) What is Rav Chisda's reason for confining Rebbi Yehudah's statement 'ad she'Yishchat es ha'Varidin' to the Shechitah of a bird? Why is this not necessary when Shechting an animal?

(b) What problem do we have with that, based on the wording of Rebbi Yehudah's statement?

(c) If, as Rav Chisda explains, he really meant 'ad she'Yinkov es ha'Varadin', then why did he say 'ad she'Yishchat ... '?

(d) And how does he amend the Beraisa 'Varidin bi'Shechitah'?

(a) In another Beraisa, the Rabbanan ask Rebbi Yehudah why, seeing as cutting the Varidin is meant to remove the blood, it needs to be performed through Shechitah.
What Kashya does this pose on Rav Chisda?

(b) How does he amend this Beraisa, too?

(c) How did Rebbi Yehudah counter the Rabbanan's query? Why is it essential to bore the Varidin at the time of Shechitah, according to him?

(a) Rebbi Yirmiyah asked whether Shehiyah or D'rasah, whilst Shechting the Varidin, will invalidate the Shechitah.
Why does he not resolve his She'eilah from Rav Chisda (according to whom, Rebbi Yehudah does not require Shechitah to begin with)?

(b) How did that old man quoting Rebbi Elazar (or Rebbi Yochanan), resolve Rebbi Yirmiyah's She'eilah? How did he describe the cutting of the Varidin?

(c) We cite a Beraisa (which we already quoted above) like Rav Chisda. The Tana Kama there invalidates a Shechitah which is 'Mechtzah al Mechtzah'. What does Rebbi Yehudah add to that, concerning Shechitah? How does this Beraisa support Rav Chisda?

(a) What do we think Rav means when he says 'Mechtzah al Mechtzah ke'Rov'?

(b) What does Rav Kahana say?

(c) What was the wording of the Halachah le'Moshe mi'Sinai (to Shecht Rov of the Si'man), according to ...

  1. ... Rav?
  2. ... Rav Kahana?
(d) How does Rav reconcile his opinion with our Mishnah, which invalidates the Shechitah of half a Si'man by a bird and one and a half, by an animal?
(a) Under what condition will an earthenware oven that is Tamei become Tahor?

(b) Why does the Beraisa declare both halves of an oven that is broken into two 'equal' halves, still Tamei?

(c) What can we extrapolate from there, asks Rav Ketina, that will pose a Kashya on Rav?

(d) How does Rav Papa answer the Kashya? What makes the case of two half-ovens worse than that of half a Si'man?

Answers to questions

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