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Chulin 30

CHULIN 28-30 - Ari Kornfeld has generously sponsored the Dafyomi publications for these Dafim for the benefit of Klal Yisrael.


(a) The Mishnah in Pesachim discusses the La'av of "Lo Sishchat al Chametz Dam Zivchi".
Why is someone who possesses Chametz and who Shechts a Korban Pesach on Pesach ...
  1. ... li'Shemo (as a Pesach) Patur from Malkos?
  2. ... she'Lo li'Shemo (as a Shelamim) Chayav?
(b) What do we extrapolate from the Seifa with regard to Shechting the same Pesach, S'tam?

(c) What do we initially learn from there?

(d) How did Rebbi Chiya bar Gamda, quoting the entire group of Talmidei-Chachamim, establish the case, to accommodate even those who hold that normally, a Pesach does not require 'Akirah'?

(a) How does this Beraisa pose a Kashya on Resh Lakish ('Einah li'Shechitah Ela be'Sof')? At which stage does the animal become unfit to be brought as a Korban Pesach Sheini?

(b) Then why is it also not Pasul because of Shechitas Pesach she'Lo bi'Zemano?

(c) How does Abaye answer the Kashya? In what way is the Korban fit to be brought as a Pesach after all?

(d) How do we resolve the problem of Ha'amadah ve'Ha'arachah (that an animal requires to be stood and assessed before it can be redeemed) on an animal that is virtually Shechted?

(a) On what grounds did Shmuel object, when Rav Yehudah told him that Rav permitted a Shechitah that was performed at a few different locations on the neck (i.e. on different rings)?

(b) What did Resh Lakish learn from the Pasuk in Yirmiyah "Chetz Shachut Leshonam"?

(c) How did Rebbi Yirmiyah establish the Mishnah (on the following Amud), which permits two people to Shecht together, even if one Shechts higher up (towards the head) and the other lower down (towards the body), to reconcile it with Shmuel and Resh Lakish?

(d) And what does the Tana then mean when he says 'one on top and one below'?

(a) How did Rebbi Aba query Rebbi Yirmiyah's interpretation, from the Beraisa which comments on the Mishnah 've'Ein Chosheshin Shema Yitrefu Zeh al Zeh'? What ought the Beraisa to have said, according to him?

(b) Why would this not be necessary if the Mishnah was talking about two people with two knives?

(c) How did Rebbi Avin amend the Beraisa to conform with Rebbi Yirmiyah?

(d) How will Shmuel and Resh Lakish establish the Beraisa cited by Rebbi Avin, which validates a Shechitah where the Shochet Shechted the Veshet lower down and the Kaneh higher up, or vice-versa?

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(a) What did Rebbi Yitzchak bar Shmuel bar Marsa do when they brought him an ox that had been Shechted in two or three places?

(b) What did Rebbi Zeira say to him regarding the Mishnah that we just discussed 'Shenayim Ochzin be'Sakin ... Shechitoso Kesheirah'?

(a) Rav Yehudah Amar Rav invalidates the Shechitah in a case of 'Hichlid bein Si'man le'Si'man'.
What does that mean?

(b) And what does he say about someone who is Machlid, by Shechting the Simanim from under the skin?

(c) In a Mishnah later in the Perek, Rebbi Yesheivav declares an animal that was Shechted (upwards) from underneath the Simanim, a Neveilah.
What does Rebbi Akiva say?

(d) In view of that Mishnah, what Chidush is Rav Yehudah Amar Rav coming to teach us?

(a) Rav Yehudah Amar Rav validates a Shechitah where the Shochet places the knife under the animal's skin and Shechts (Chaladah).
What does bei Rav say?

(b) They asked what the Din will be if the Shochet Shechts from under a cloth that is tied around the animal's neck.
According to whom do they ask it? Why might the cloth be different?

(c) On the assumption that the cloth is not considered Chaladah, what other She'eilah did they ask?

(d) We remain with 'Teiku' on both She'eilos.
How do we rule on this issue?

(a) Rav Papa asked 'Hichlid be'Miy'ut Simanim Mahu'.
What is the She'eilah?

(b) Rav Papa is speaking about the Shochet concluding the Shechitah with Chaladah, as we explained.
What would be the Din if he were to begin the Shechitah with Chaladah and to perform the rest without it?

(c) In the case of Rav Papa's She'eilah, the Shechitah might be Pasul because it is all one Shechitah.
Why might it be Kasher?

(d) What is the outcome of the She'eilah?

(a) Which of the other five Pesulim are affected by this ruling?

(b) How will we then rule in a case of 'Shachat Sh'nei Shelishi Ve'higrim Shelish', which remained a Safek in the first Perek?

(c) How will we reconcile this with the Sugya earlier, which validated a case of 'Shachat Chatzi Gargeres Ve'shahah bah, Ve'gamrah', even according to those who hold 'Mechtzah al Mechtzah ke'Rov', seeing as technically, the Shechitah has already been completed?

(a) What does our Mishnah rule about a case where ...
  1. ... someone Shechts two animals simultaneously?
  2. ... two people hold a knife and Shecht (which we discussed on the previous Amud), even if one is Shechting higher up and one lower down?
  3. ... the Shochet chopped of the animal's head in one go? Why is that?
(b) What will be the Din if he severs the head whilst performing Holachah (moving the knife away from his body) ...
  1. ... or Hova'ah (drawing it towards it)?
  2. ... and Hova'ah?
(c) This last ruling applies even if the Shochet is using an Izmal.
What is an 'Izmal'?
(a) What does Shmuel learn from the Pasuk in Tehilim "Chetz Shachut Leshonam"? In what way does our Mishnah learn Shechitah from an arrow?

(b) Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael too, learns it from there, but only after first trying to learn it from the Pasuk in Yirmiyah "Zahav Shachut".
How does he initially interpret "Shachut" there?

(c) On what grounds does he then reject that interpretation? How does he finally interpret "Zahav Shachut"?

(a) What did Rava do with the arrow that he examined for Rebbi Yona bar Tachlifa?

(b) How did he prove that he had not performed Chaladah?

(c) What does Rebbi Zeira Amar Rav learn from the Pasuk in Acharei-Mos "Ve'chisahu be'Afar"?

(d) So how did Rava fulfill the Mitzvah of 'Kisuy ha'Dam'?

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