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Chulin 32

CHULIN 32-33 - Ari Kornfeld has generously sponsored the Dafyomi publications for these Dafim for the benefit of Klal Yisrael.


(a) Rava rules that if one Shechted a Chulin animal together with the Parah Adumah, it is Pasul.
Why is that?

(b) Is the second animal Kasher?

(c) According to Rebbi Nasan, the same ruling will apply if another animal was Shechted unintentionally together with the Parah Adumah.
Bearing in mind that there was no 'Hesech Shochet did not take his mind off the Parah Adumah, on what grounds is the Parah Adumah Pasul?

(d) What will be the Din in this same case, according to the Rabbanan?

(a) What is Rav Papa coming to teach us in this set of rulings, which all seem to be obvious? What might we have otherwise thought, in the middle case, according to Rebbi Nasan, based on the Pasuk in Chukas "Ve'shachat Osah"?

(b) What will be the Din if, as the Shochet is Shechting a Parah Adumah ...

  1. ... he deliberately cuts a gourd?
  2. ... he cuts a gourd inadvertently?
(a) What does our Mishnah say about where, in the middle of the Shechitah ...
  1. ... the Shochet's knife or his clothes fell and he picked them up, before continuing with the Shechitah?
  2. ... he sharpened the knife and became tired, and his friend came and concluded the Shechitah?
(b) What is the Shi'ur Shehiyah, according to Rebbi Shimon?

(c) Rav explains 'K'dei Shechitah' to mean the time it takes to Shecht another animal.
What is Rav coming to teach us? How might we have otherwise interpreted 'K'dei Shechitah'?

(a) Rav Kahana and Rav Asi asked Rav exactly what he meant. What might he have meant besides gauging the Shi'ur Shechitah by the time it takes to Shecht from scratch whichever animal he is Shechting?

(b) Rav eventually replied Lechumra, like the first side of the She'eilah. Initially, he said that 'Lo Havah Badichna bei ba'Chavivi'.
What did he mean by that? Who was 'Chavivi'?

(c) What did Shmuel say?

(d) When Ravin came from Eretz Yisrael, he cited Rebbi Yochanan who learned like Shmuel, whereas Rebbi Chanina gave the time it takes to bring another animal and Shecht it.
What problem do we have with that?

(e) How does Rav Papa therefore establish the case over which Rebbi Chanina argues with Rebbi Yochanan?

(a) In Eretz Yisrael, they cited the opinion of Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Chanina.
How does he present the Shi'ur Shechitah?

(b) What Shi'ur Shehiyah does he give for ...

  1. ... a small animal?
  2. ... a large animal?
  3. ... a bird?
(c) If we normally rule like Rebbi Yochanan against Shmuel and certainly against Rav, why, in this case, do we rule like Rav against Rebbi Yochanan?

(d) What does Rava say about someone who takes all day to Shecht an animal using a bad knife? What is meant by a 'bad knife'?

(a) Rava asked whether a number of Shehiyos combine to invalidate the Shechitah.
Why does he not resolve this She'eilah with his previous statement?

(b) What does Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Nasan mean when he asks 'Shahah be'Miy'ut Simanim, Mahu'?

(c) Why can the She'eilah not pertain to the beginning of the Shechitah?

(d) What should the Shochet therefore do, if after Shechting the majority of the Simanim, the animal does not die immediately?

(e) What is the outcome of the She'eilah?

(a) We have already discussed the Machlokes between Rebbi Yesheivav and Rebbi Akiva in our Mishnah. If the Shochet first Shechted the Veshet and then broke the Gargeres (Ikur) or vice-versa, or Shechted one of the Simanim and either waited until the animal died, or performed Chaladah on the second Si'man, Rebbi Yesheivav considers the animal a Neveilah.
What does Rebbi Akiva say?

(b) How does Rebbi Yesheivav citing Rebbi Yehoshua, define the distinction between a Neveilah and a Tereifah with regard to an animal that has been Shechted?

(c) Bearing in mind the principle 'Halachah ke'Rebbi Akiva me'Chavero', why do we rule like Rebbi Yesheivav in this case?

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(a) What problem does the Mishnah in 'Eilu Tereifos', which lists Pesukas ha'Gargeres among the Tereifos, create with our Mishnah?

(b) How does Rava resolve ...

  1. ... this problem? Why is Shechting a Pesukas ha'Gargeres not comparable to the Neveilah in our Mishnah?
  2. ... Rav Acha bar Huna's Kashya from our Mishnah itself, which refers to 'Pasak es ha'Gargeres ve'Achar-Kach Shachat es ha'Veshet' as a Neveilah? How does he attempt to amend 've'Achar-Kach Shachat es ha'Veshet'?
(c) What objection, besides the fact that the Tana specifically said 've'Achar-Kach', does Rav Acha bar Huna raise on Rava's answer?

(d) So how does Rava interpret 've'Eilu Tereifos', to resolve the two Mishnahs?

(a) What does Chizkiyah say about an animal that one made a Gist'ra (by chopping in two at the neck or the back, as we learned in the first Perek)?

(b) Under which circumstances does Rebbi Elazar declare an animal whose thigh has been removed, a Neveilah?

(c) According to Rava then, why does the Tana in 'Eilu Tereifos' decline to insert these two cases in the Mishnah?

(a) Resh Lakish resolves the contradiction between the two Mishnahs by making it dependent upon the location where the Shochet concludes the Shechitah after breaking the majority of the Gargeres.
What exactly does he say?

(b) How does *he* interpret 'Eilu Tereifos'?

(c) Resh Lakish himself says elsewhere that if one makes a hole in the lungs after having Shechted the Gargeres (to which they are attached), the animal remains Kasher.
Why is that?

(d) How does this pose a Kashya on what he himself just said? What status would the animal then have if the Shochet completed the Shechitah on the Gargeres at the point where the break ended?

(a) Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan establishes the Mishnah in 'Eilu Tereifos' like Rebbi Akiva, who considers a P'sul in the Shechitah a Tereifah.
How will he then reconcile this with the Seifa of our Mishnah, where Rebbi Akiva retracted from that S'vara?

(b) How can the latter Mishnah make a statement that is no longer correct?

(c) How do we reconcile this with the principle 'Yesh Seider le'Mishnah', that we apply in one Masechta?

(a) What does Rava say, according to Resh Lakish, about a case where one made a hole in the intestines (which are attached to the Veshet) after Shechting the Kaneh?

(b) Why is that?

(c) What objection does Rebbi Zeira raise to that?

(d) How does Rebbi Zeira explain Resh Lakish's ruling, to ask such a Kashya?

(a) Rebbi Zeira himself asked whether, if an animal's intestines were holed after its Kaneh had been Shechted, going on to Shecht its Veshet would change its status from Neveilah to Tereifah or not.
Why ...
  1. ... might it indeed do so?
  2. ... might it not?
(b) And we connect this to the She'eilah of Ilfa, regarding a fetus which was found inside a Shechted animal, and which is normally permitted through the Shechitah of its mother.
What will be the Din in a case where the fetus stuck out its leg before its mother was Shechted?

(c) Ilfa now asks what the Din will be if it sticks out the leg between the Shechitah of the Kaneh and the Veshet.
What is the She'eilah?

(a) We conclude that the Shechitah of the first Si'man will indeed combine with that of the second, to render the leg in Ilfa's case, and the animal in Rebbi Zeira's, a Tereifah.
How about eating them?

(b) How do we try to prove from there that Rebbi Zeira retracted from what he just said?

(c) How did Rav Acha bar Rav reject this proof? If Rebbi Zeira still holds that once one Si'man has been Shechted, the animal cannot become a Tereifah, then why did he ask such a She'eilah (with its implications)?

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