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Chulin 42

CHULIN 41-43 - sponsored by Dr. Lindsay A. Rosenwald of Lawrence NY, in honor of his father, David ben Aharon ha'Levy Rosenwald of blessed memory.

***** Perek Eilu Tereifos *****


(a) Our Mishnah lists the eighteen Tereifos of an animal.
What distinction does it draw between a Tereifus in the Veshet and a Tereifus in the Gargeres?

(b) It lists a hole in the membrane that covers the brain and a hole in the heart.
What Shi'ur does it give for a hole in the heart?

(c) What does the Tana mean when it writes 'Nifsekah ha'Shedrah, ve'Nifsak ha'Chut she'Lah'? Why does he insert 'Nifsekah ha'Shedrah' at all?

(d) Under which circumstances is an animal with a missing liver considered a Tereifah?

(a) Which two Tereifos pertain to the lung?

(b) Rebbi Shimon requires the hole to penetrate the Beis ha'Simponos.
What are the Simponos?

(c) The Tana then lists a group of three internal organs that are punctured. Two of them are the Keivah (stomach) and the gall-bladder.
What is the third?

(a) The inner Keres (the rumen [one of the stomachs]) renders the animal a Tereifah via the smallest hole.

What does the Tana say about the outer Keres?

(b) Rebbi Yehudah agrees with this latter Shi'ur, only as regards a small ox.
What Shi'ur does he give as regards a large one?

(c) Under what condition is a hole in the Messes (the third stomach of ruminants) or in the Beis ha'Kosos (the paunch) considered a Tereifah?

(d) If, in the ruminants, the food goes from the Beis ha'Kosos to the Messes, where does it go ...

  1. ... from there?
  2. ... finally?
(a) The Tana includes in the list an animal that fell off the roof and if the majority of its ribs are broken.
Is this one case or two?

(b) Under which circumstances is the former a Tereifah?

(c) Why do we consider it Tereifah, even though it does not have any apparent defect?

(d) What is the source of the Tereifos?

(a) What is 'D'rusas ha'Ze'ev'? What makes the animal a Tereifah?

(b) The Tana Kama does not differentiate between a small animal and a large one.
What does Rebbi Yehudah say?

(c) If a large bird (a chicken or a goose) requires the claws of a large bird of prey (a sparrow hawk) to render it a Tereifah, what will render a small bird (a dove or a pigeon) a Tereifah?

(d) What principle does the Tana give to ascertain that the animal is a Tereifah?

(a) What does Resh Lakish learn from the Pasuk in Shemini "Zos ha'Chayah Asher Tocheilu"?

(b) On what grounds do we refute the initial version of his question (i.e. where a Tereifah is hinted in the Torah?

(c) How do those who hold that a Tereifah can live (as will be explained later), prove that from the same Pasuk?

(a) Those who hold that a Tereifah cannot live interpret "Zos" like Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael.
What does Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael learn from "Zos"?

(b) In fact, we conclude, everybody Darshens "Zos" like Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael, and those who hold that a Tereifah can live, derive their opinion from the same source as Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael elsewhere.
From which Pasuk in Shemini does Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael learn it?

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(a) We query our Mishnah, which lists only eighteen Tereifos, omitting 'Basgar and 'Shev Shema'atsa'. We confine the Kashya however, to Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael, but preclude the Tana Kama.
How does Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael's presentation differ from that of our Mishnah?

(b) How do we then reconcile our Mishnah with 'Basgar' and Shev Shema'atsa?

(c) 'Basgar' is the acronym for the four cases that we are now about to discuss. The 'Beis' represents an animal (Beheimah) whose hind legs have been severed above the knee.
What does the Tana Kama in a Beraisa say about that?

(d) On what grounds do we query this answer? Why will it not work specifically according to Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael?

(a) Nevertheless, we establish Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael like Rebbi Elazer b'Rebbi Shimon.
Why is that? What else did the latter say about an animal whose hind leg has been severed above the knee, that is acceptable, even according to Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael?

(b) The 'Samech' in Basgar represents 'Chesaron be'Shedrah'. In the Mishnah in Ohalos, Beis Shamai declares it no longer Metamei be'Ohel, if two vertebrae are missing.
What do Beis Hillel say?

(c) Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel are arguing over the Shi'ur of Tum'as Ohel, as we just explained.
What does Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel comment that poses the Kashya on Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael?

(d) How do we answer the Kashya, based on the two Tereifos of the Messes and the Beis ha'Kosos listed in our Mishnah?

(a) The 'Gimel' in Basgar represents G'ludah.
What is 'G'ludah'?

(b) Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael declines to insert it in his list, because he holds like Rebbi Meir.
What does Rebbi Meir say?

(c) And the 'Resh' of Basgar is 'Charusa', which means a dried up lung.
Which kind of Charusa is a Tereifah?

(d) Who is the author of the Halachah 'Nikvah ha'Marah, Tereifah'?

(e) How does this help us to solve the current problem (concerning why Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael omits 'Charusa' from his list)?

(a) We ask why Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael omits Shev Shema'atsa (which we will discuss shortly).
Why are they referred to as 'Shema'atsa', as opposed to 'Basgar'?

(b) The first of the Shev Shema'atsa concerns 'Buka de'Atma', the second 'Laksah Kulya' and the third, 'Nikav ha'Techol'.
What does ...

  1. ... 'Buka de'Atma' mean? What did Rav Masna say about it?
  2. ... 'Laksah be'Kulya' mean? What did Rachish bar Papa in the name of Rav say about it?
(c) The Mishnah later will declare 'Nital ha'Techol, Kasher'.
What does Rav Avira Amar Rava comment on that?

(d) Rabah bar bar Chanah Amar Shmuel declares 'Simanim she'Nidaldelu be'Rubah', Tereifah.
What does that mean?

(a) Rabah bar Rav Shilo ... Amar Shmuel teaches us the last three cases of 'Shev Shema'atsa'.
What did Shmuel say about ...
  1. ... a rib?
  2. ... a skull?
  3. ... the flesh that covers the majority of the Keres (part of the abdominal wall that covers the paunch)?
(b) Why does he refer to 'the majority of the Keres'? What about the rest?

(c) In light of the Sugya later which explains the Mishnah 'Rov ha'Chitzonah' to mean 'Basar ha'Chofeh es Rov ha'Chitzonah', what is Shmuel coming to teach us?

(a) We answer the Kashya on Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael by pointing out that there are eight cases of 'Nekuvi'.
How does that answer the Kashya?

(b) What problem do we have with this answer, based on ...

  1. ... 'Pesuki'?
  2. ... the case of Rav Avira in the name of Rava (one of the Shev Shema'atsa)?
(c) How do we finally resolve the eighteen Tereifos of Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael with 'Basgar' and 'Shev Shema'atsa' by referring to 'Beheimah she'Nechtechah Raglehah' and 'G'ludah' (which we previously precluded)?

(d) How do we reconcile Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael with the many additional Tereifos of the lung which we will discuss later in the Perek?

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