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Chulin 54

CHULIN 51-54 - sponsored by Dr. Lindsay A. Rosenwald of Lawrence NY, in honor of his father, David ben Aharon ha'Levy Rosenwald of blessed memory.


(a) Why is it obvious to Rav Bibi bar Abaye, cited by Rav Papi, that the Shi'ur Derisah of the Veshet is a Mashehu?

(b) Why is the Shi'ur Derisah of the Kaneh not so obvious?

(c) On what grounds does he nevertheless conclude that the Shi'ur Derisah of a Kaneh is also a Mashehu?

(a) What objection did Rav Nachman raise when Rav Yitzchak bar Shmuel bar Marsa gave the Shi'ur Bedikah for Derusah as the abdominal cavity, like the B'nei Rebbi Chiya on the previous Amud?

(b) What did Rav mean by ...

  1. ... 'mi'Kapa'?
  2. ... 've'ad Atma'?
(c) Why can 'Kapa' not mean the shoulder blades?

(d) When Resh Lakish and Rebbi Yochanan issued a joint statement along the same lines as Rav Yitzchak bar Shmuel bar Marsa, and Rav Chiya bar Yosef, who had just arrived in Eretz Yisrael from Bavel, raised the same objection as Rav Nachman citing Rav, what was Resh Lakish's reaction?

(a) What did Rebbi Yochanan have to say to that?

(b) What did Rebbi Yochanan testify that indicates that Rav was greater than him?

(c) How did he describe Rav's greatness?

(a) Resh Lakish remembered Rav after all. He even quoted his ruling 'Shemutah u'Shechutah Kesheirah'.
What does that mean?

(b) Why is that?

(c) What did Rebbi Yochanan say?

(d) How does Rav Nachman qualify Rav's ruling? When will even Rav concede that Shemutah u'Shechutah is Tereifah?

(a) Our Mishnah concludes 'Zeh ha'Kelal, Kol she'Ein Kamohah Chayah, Tereifah'.
What does 'Zeh ha'Kelal' come to include?

(b) What happened to the animal whose Gid ha'Nasheh Yosef the hunter's family bludgeoned?

(c) What did ...

  1. ... Rebbi Yehudah ben Beseira say when they asked him whether the animal concerned was Tereifah?
  2. ... Rebbi Aba say when they asked him the same She'eilah concerning an animal whose kidney the family of Rav Papa bar Aba the hunter had bludgeoned until it died?
(d) How do we reconcile the two above rulings with the fact that the animal died?
(a) Our Mishnah now lists the defects that are Kasher. These include a punctured Gargeres, one that is split or one that has a piece missing. Under what condition is an animal Kasher if its Kaneh is ...
  1. ... punctured?
  2. ... split?
(b) And when is it Kasher even though its ...
  1. ... skull is broken?
  2. ... its heart is punctured?
  3. ... its spine is broken?
  4. ... its liver has been removed?
(c) Under what conditions is the animal Kasher even though the Meses and the Beis ha'Kosos are both punctured?

(d) What does the Tana say about an animal with a missing spleen, kidneys or womb?

(a) Under what condition is an animal Kasher if ...
  1. ... its lower jaw is detached from the flesh?
  2. ... its kidney has shriveled up?
(b) Rebbi Meir declares an animal whose skin is missing, Kasher.
How did such a thing happen?

(c) What do the Rabbanan say?

(a) Rebbi Yochanan learns that 'Eilu Tereifos' is Davka, but 'Eilu Kesheiros' is not.
What does Resh Lakish say?

(b) They argue over Rav Masna's ruling (one of the Shev Shema'atsa).
What does Rav Masna say about a thigh-bone that became dislocated?

(c) Why, according to Rebbi Yochanan, do we need 'Eilu' to preclude the animal from the Din of Tereifah? Why would we have thought otherwise?

(d) Why, according to Resh Lakish, does the Tana need 'Eilu Kesheiros' to preclude Rav Masna's case from the Kesheiros? In which point does he disagree with Rebbi Yochanan?

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(a) Rava argues with Rav Masna. He declares an animal with a dislocated thigh-bone, Kasher.
Under which circumstances will he agree that it is Tereifah?

(b) What is the Halachah?

(a) Our Mishnah gives the Shi'ur of a Chesaron in the Gargeres as an Italian Isar.
Why did Ze'iri then mention a Dinra Kurdina'a? What does is a 'Dinra Kurdina'a?

(b) Whereabouts in Bavel, were similar small size coins (called 'P'shiti') to be found?

(c) Why did bar Nafcha ask Rebbi Chana the banker for a Dinra Kurdina'a? Who was bar Nafcha?

(d) Why did Rebbi Yochanan forbid him to stand up for him?

(a) We query Rebbi Yochanan from a Mishnah in Bikurim, which discusses the entry of a group bringing their Bikurim into Yerushalayim.
As they walked past, what would all the tradesmen ...
  1. ... do?
  2. ... say?
(b) How did Rebbi Yochanan resolve the Kashya on himself from this Mishnah from the word used in the Mishnah 'Mipneihem'?

(c) How do we refute the proof from there for the maxim 'Gedolah Mitzvah be'Sha'atah'? Why else might it be necessary to stop work and stand up, even though one does not do so on any other occasion?

(a) How does Rav Nachman interpret 'ad ke'Isar ha'Italki' (regarding the Shi'ur Kashrus in our Mishnah)?

(b) What important principle does this suggest?

(c) How do we know that Rav Nachman is referring to our Mishnah, and not to the Mishnah 'Eilu Tereifos'?

(a) The Mishnah in Keilim declares Tahor, a rope up to five Tefachim that still protrudes after a bed (of ropes) has been completed.
Why is it not subject to Tum'ah ...
  1. ... together with the bed?
  2. ... independently?
(b) How will Rav Nachman interpret ...
  1. ... the Mishnah in Keilim?
  2. ... the continuation of the Mishnah 'me'Chamishah ad Asarah, Tamei'?
(c) What does the rope become fit for once it reaches a length of five Tefachim?

(d) Then why is the excess of ten Tefachim not subject to Tum'ah, too?

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