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Chulin 58

CHULIN 57-58 - sponsored by Dr. Lindsay A. Rosenwald of Lawrence NY, in honor of his father, David ben Aharon ha'Levy Rosenwald of blessed memory.


(a) Based on Rav Acha bar Ya'akov's ruling (that a Tereifah can give birth), on what basis does Ameimar rule that ...
  1. ... the batch of eggs that a bird is carrying when it becomes Tereifah is forbidden?
  2. ... subsequent batches are Kasher?
(b) Rav Ashi queried Ameimar from a Beraisa 've'Shavin be'Beitzas Tereifah she'Asurah, Mipnei she'Gadlah be'Isur'.
What did the latter answer?

(c) Why did he not answer that the Tana is speaking about the first batch?

(d) The word 've'Shavin' refers to a Machlokes between Rebbi Yehoshua and Rebbi Eliezer.
Which Machlokes?

(a) What is the basis of that Machlokes (which speaks in a case where a Tereifah animal became pregnant)?

(b) Why do they present it with regard to Kodshim (whether the baby is eligible to go on the Mizbe'ach) and not with regard to Chulin (whether it is Kasher)?

(c) Then why not rather present it with regard to Chulin to teach the extent of Rebbi Eliezer's opinion?

(d) What will Rebbi Yehoshua hold in a case ....

  1. ... where a pregnant animal became Tereifah?
  2. ... of an egg that is a Sapana me'Ar'a?
(a) Rav Acha cites Ameimar ('Hani Bei'i di'Tereifah') like we did, because he holds like Rav Acha bar Ya'akov. Ravina rejects our version of Ameimar.
Why is that?

(b) According to Ravina's version, Ameimar is talking about the eggs of a Safek Tereifah.
What does the latter now say about the initial batch and subsequent batches?

(c) How does Ameimar then ...

  1. ... establish the Beraisa 've'Shavin be'Beitzas Tereifah she'Asurah ... '?
  2. ... amend the concluding words of the Beraisa 'Mipnei she'Gadlah be'Isur'?
(a) According to Ravina, bearing in mind that a Tereifah is unable to give birth, how will Ameimar explain the Machlokes between Rebbi Eliezer and Rebbi Yehoshua?

(b) Why must the Seifa 'u'Modim be'Beitzas Tereifah she'Asurah' be speaking about where the eggs are still attached to the chicken's body?

(c) How do we rule with regard to ascertaining whether a Safek Tereifah is Tereifah or not? What distinction do we draw between a male and a female animal?

(a) What does Rav Huna say about any creature that has no bones?

(b) Rav Papa connects Rav Huna's ruling with a statement of Shmuel, who forbids Kishos (cucumbers) that become wormy whilst they are still growing. What would be the Din if they became wormy after they were detached?

(c) Then why are they forbidden in the earlier case (seeing as they have not crawled on the ground)?

(d) Based on Shmuel's statement, how does Rav Papa now apply Rav Huna's ruling?

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(a) Rav maintains that a gnat (or mosquito) disintegrates within one day.
What does he say about a fly?

(b) Based on a popular saying, why did the she-gnat rebel against the he-gnat for seven years?

(c) Why did they present this Mashal particularly with reference to a man from Mechuza in particular?

(a) What Kashya does this Mashal pose on Rav?

(b) We counter with another Mashal, which attributes sixty Manah of iron to the gnat's hammer.
What did they mean by that?

(c) What do we prove from this Mashal?

(d) So how does that answer the Kashya on Rav from the first Mashal?

(a) What does the Mishnah in Bechoros say about a five or three-legged animal?

(b) What is the reason regarding the five-legged animal?

(c) Why does Rav Huna confine this ruling to the animal's foreleg? What would be the Din if it was the hind leg? Why is that?

(a) What did Ravina rule when an animal was brought before him that had two Sanya Divis (caecums)?

(b) In which case would it be Kasher?

(c) What objection did ...

  1. ... Rav Huna Mar bar Chiya raise when Rav Ashi wanted to declare Tereifah an animal in which a strip of flesh ran from the Beis ha'Kosos to the Meses?
  2. ... Rav Oshaya raise when Mar bar Rav Ashi (based on the previous episode) wanted to declare Kasher an animal in which a strip of flesh ran from the Beis ha'Kosos to the Keres?
(d) On what basis did he then declare it Tereifah?
(a) How do we reconcile our previous ruling with our refutation earlier of Rava, who declared an animal with an extra Una on the lung Tereifah?

(b) What ruling did Rav Nasan bar Shilo (the chief Shochet in Tzipori) send Rebbi concerning two intestines inside ...

  1. ... an animal?
  2. ... a bird? Why is that?
(c) In which case will the former be Kasher, too?

(d) In fact, Rav Ami and Rav Asi argue over this. According to one of them, the animal is Kasher even if the two intestines do not join within the space of an Etzba.
Then what did Rav Shilo mean when he said 'ad ke'Etzba'?

(a) Rebbi Yochanan suggests that Rebbi Yehudah in our Mishnah (who declares a bird whose body fluff has been removed, Tereifah) and Rebbi Yishmael are one and the same.
What does Rebbi Yishmael say in the Mishnah in Taharos (in connection with Pigul [see also Tosfos DH 'ha'Notzah']) about the body fluff of a Chatas ha'Of?

(b) How does Rava refute Rebbi Yochanan's connection? Why might ...

  1. ... Rebbi Yehudah confine his opinion to Tereifus, but disagree with Rebbi Yishmael?
  2. ... Rebbi Yishmael confine his opinion to Pigul, but disagree with Rebbi Yehudah?
(a) Our Mishnah now discusses illnesses that affect the entire body of the animal.
What does the Tana say about an animal that ...
  1. ... became ill due to a sudden influx of blood, inhaled smoke or became ill from cold?
  2. ... ate animal poison or chicken excrement, or that drank foul water?
  3. ... ate human poison or was bitten by a snake?
(b) Shmuel declares an animal that one fed Chiltis (a spice with a sharp point), Tereifah.
Why is that?

(c) Rav Shizbi queries Shmuel from a Beraisa, which cites the cases in our Mishnah plus a few others, such as an animal that one fed 'Ti'a', a bitter herb called aconite, and Chiltis, both of which he declares Kasher.
What does the Tana say about an animal that ...

  1. ... ate poison?
  2. ... was bitten by a mad dog?
(d) How do we reconcile the Beraisa (which declares an animal that ate ...
  1. ... Chiltis, Kasher) with Shmuel?
  2. ... human poison, Kasher) with our Mishnah?
13) Having already listed animal poison, why does the Beraisa then add 'Hardufni'?

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