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Chulin 62

CHULIN 61-63 - sponsored by Dr. Lindsay A. Rosenwald of Lawrence NY, in honor of his father, David ben Aharon ha'Levy Rosenwald of blessed memory.


(a) Under what conditions does Rav Nachman permit eating a bird that has ...
  1. ... one Siman Taharah?
  2. ... two Simnei Taharah?
(b) The men of the village of Tamarta in Yehudah used to eat starlings (Zarzir) because they possess a crop.
Why, according to the second Lashon in the Beraisa, did the men of upper Galilee used to eat swallows (Sanvanis Levanah)?

(c) Either way, Rebbi Eliezer disagreed.
What did he comment on the Rabbanan's statement?

(a) What did the Rabbanan mean when they cited the reason for the Heter because the one bird had a crop and the other's Kurkevan peeled easily? How would that prove that they did not belong to the family of the raven?

(b) What prompts Rebbi Eliezer to learn Zarzir from "le'Miyno" in spite of that?

(c) In any event, Rebbi Eliezer learns one of these birds from "le'Miyno" and the Rabbanan will learn other birds (see Tosfos DH 'Rebbi Eliezer Omer').
Then how can the Tana permit eating a bird with two Simanim on the basis of the fact that one is familiar with a raven only?

(a) Ameimar permits eating a bird with one Siman, provided that we have not seen the bird actually being Doreis (see Tosfos DH 've'Hu').
How do we define 'Doreis'?

(b) What did Ameimar reply when Rav Ashi queried him from Rav Nachman's earlier ruling? Why was that?

(c) Rav Yehudah permits a bird that scratches, for the Taharah of a Metzora. Which bird is he referring to?

(a) According to Ameimar, Rebbi Eliezer and the Rabanan are arguing over a swallow with a green stomach. What will they both hold by one with a white stomach?

(b) How does Mar Zutra establish the Machlokes?

(c) In the first Lashon, Ameimar rules like Rebbi Eliezer.
How does Mar Zutra rule in the second Lashon?

(d) According to the first Lashon (Ameimar), why does the Beraisa refer to the bird over which they are arguing as 'Sanvanis 'Levanah*'?

(a) Rachbah Amar Rav Yehudah considers a 'Tasil' a dove, and 'Atzipi' and 'Torin shel Rechavah' pigeons.
What are the ramifications of this distinction?

(b) Rav Daniel bar Ketina queries this from the Mishnah in Parah.
On what grounds ...

  1. ... do all birds invalidate the Mei Chatas (of the Parah Adumah) when they drink from it?
  2. ... do we consider the dove an exception?
(c) What is now Rav Daniel bar Katina's Kashya?

(d) What does Rebbi Zeira answer? If a Tasil sucks the water (like a dove), why is the water nevertheless Pasul?

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(a) Rav Yehudah permits a type of pigeon called 'Kufshani Tzutzi'ani' to go on the Mizbe'ach.
What does this have to do with 'Torin shel Rechavah' (that we cited on the previous Amud)?

(b) What does the Mishnah in Parah say about Eizov (hyssop, which is used in connection with the sprinkling of the Mei Chatas) which has a secondary name, such as Eizov Yavan, Kuchli, Romi or Midair?

(c) What is the problem then, with 'Kufshani Tzutzi'ani' (bearing in mind that 'Kufshani' is merely the Aramaic translation of 'Torin')?

(a) What distinction does Abaye make between something that changed its name before Matan Torah and something which did not, to explain why Kufshani Tzutziani can be brought on the Mizbe'ach even though it has an auxiliary name?

(b) How does Rava answer the Kashya?

(a) What distinction does Rav Yehudah draw between the Karzi that live among the nettles and those that live among the cabbages.
What are 'Karzi'?

(b) On what grounds does Ravina declare someone who eats the latter Chayav Malkos? What is the Chidush?

(c) Rav Yehudah permits a Tzarda but forbids a Barda (names of birds).
How will we remember which is which?

(d) What does Rav Yehudah say about 'Marda'?

(a) What does Rav Asi say about Chova, Choga, Suga, Chanuga, Tushl'mi, Marda, Kuchilna and bar Nafcha? What do they all have in common?

(b) How many Simnei Taharah do these little birds have?

(c) Then what is the Safek?

(d) What did Shmuel do with the duck whose crop they had difficulty in peeling?

(e) Then why is the above case different, seeing as they were able to peel it with a knife?

(a) What did Abaye say about a marsh rooster?

(b) What Siman does Rav Papa give to remember that whereas a marsh rooster is forbidden, a marsh hen is permitted?

(c) Mereimar disagrees.
On what grounds did he forbid even a marsh-hen (synonymous with a Girusa, which will be discussed in 'Kol ha'Basar')?

(d) Which Chumra was instituted as a result of Mereimar's ruling?

(a) The Siman Rav gave to remember that a Shavur Andarfta is permitted, whereas a Piruz Andarfta is forbidden is 'Piruz Rashi'a'.
What is the significance of that Si'man?

(b) Similarly, Rav Huna gave a Siman to remember that Bunya is permitted and Parva is forbidden as 'Parva Amgusha'.
What does this mean? What claim to fame did Parva have?

(c) Rav Papa too, declares a Zagid ve'Achil Kasher, whilst forbidding a Sagid ve'Achil.
Bearing in mind that 'Sagid' means to prostrate oneself, what Siman did he give to remind us which is which?

(d) Shmuel gave two Simanim.
How did he remind us that ...

  1. ... a Shasya Chamra is forbidden?
  2. ... a bas Mazga Chamra is permitted, even though a Mazga Chamra is forbidden?
(a) Rav Yehudah discusses two types of red-colored Shakitnas, one with long calves, the other, with short calves.
What is the significance of the Siman 'Murzema' to remind us that the first one is Kasher?

(b) What Siman did he give as a reminder that ...

  1. ... the short-calved Shakitna is forbidden?
  2. ... a third species with long calves but which is green-colored is forbidden?
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