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Chulin 75

CHULIN 75 (16 Nisan) - Today's Dafyomi study materials have been sponsored in memory of Rav Moshe ben Shalom Ehrlich, A"H, a distinguished Shliach Tzibbur and teacher of Torah, by his extended Rosenberg family


(a) Rebbi Yochanan establishes the Beraisa 'Avar be'Nahar Huchshar, Halach le'Beis-Hakevaros Nitma', like Rebbi Yossi Hagelili (quoted by Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar in a Beraisa) who holds that a ben Peku'ah is Mitamei Tum'as Ochlin even whilst it is alive. What do the Rabbanan say?

(b) Why does he not establish the Beraisa like the Rabbanan (of Rebbi Meir) in our Mishnah, who hold that the Ubar is considered as if it was in a basket?

(c) Rebbi Yochanan follows his own reasoning regarding a Mishnah in Uktzin. According to Beis Shamai there, fish become subject to Tum'ah from the time they are caught.
What do Beis Hillel hold?

(d) Rebbi Akiva says 'from the moment that they can no longer live'.
What is the practical difference between Beis Hillel and Rebbi Akiva?

(a) What does Rebbi Yochanan say about the opinions of Rebbi Yossi Hagelili and Beis Shamai?

(b) How do we extrapolate from his statement, the reason of the Rabbanan of Rebbi Yossi Hagelili?

(c) Why can we not attribute it to the fact that they hold like Rebbi Meir (that a ben Peku'ah requires Shechitah)?

(d) How does this explain our statement that Rebbi Yochanan follows his own reasoning?

(a) Rav Chisda asks what the Din will be regarding a fish which contracts Simnei Tereifus.
What difference will it make, seeing as it does not require Shechitah anyway?

(b) According to which Tana is Rav Chisda asking?

(c) What is the She'eilah, even assuming that ...

  1. ... a Tereifah animal can live? Why might a fish be worse in this regard?
  2. ... a Tereifah animal can live? Why might a fish be better than an animal?
(d) What is the outcome of the She'eilah?
(a) Rebbi Yochanan forbids the Cheilev of a stillborn animal.
Why is that?

(b) How do we reconcile Rebbi Yochanan with Rebbi Yehudah above, who permitted it?

(c) What does Resh Lakish say? What is his reason?

(a) In the second Lashon, Rabbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish are not speaking about a baby animal of less than nine months (or five months in the case of a lamb).
What would they then both hold in the previous case?

(b) Over which case are they then arguing?

(c) Both Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish maintain their previous opinions.
What is then the reason of ...

  1. ... Rebbi Yochanan?
  2. ... Resh Lakish?
(a) Rebbi Yochanan queries Resh Lakish from a Beraisa.
What does the Tana learn from the fact that Torah inserts the Cheilev and the two kidneys among the parts of an Asham that are brought on the Mizbe'ach? What does it preclude even with regard to female Korbanos, to which 'Sh'lil' is applicable?

(b) What does Rebbi Yochanan ask from there on Resh Lakish?

(c) What does Resh Lakish answer?

(d) In the second Lashon, Resh Lakish asks Rebbi Yochanan that if, as he maintains, a ninth-month Sh'lil is considered alive, why does the Pasuk preclude its Cheilev.
What does Rebbi Yochanan reply? What precedent does he cite, where the Torah forbids what ought logically to be permitted?

(a) In connection with the previous Machlokes, what does Rebbi Ami say about a case where one Shechts a Tereifah and finds a ninth-month Ubar, according to ...
  1. ... Rebbi Yochanan?
  2. ... Resh Lakish? What are there respective reasons?
(b) Rava permits the Ubar even according to Resh Lakish.
Why is that?
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(a) Rav Chisda rules that if someone finds a ninth-month Ubar inside a Shechted Tereifah, it requires Shechitah.
What does he say about the obligation to give the Zero'a, Lechayayim ve'Keivah (the right foreleg, the cheeks and the stomach) to the Kohen?

(b) What problem does Rava have with Rav Chisda's final statement 've'Im Meis, Tahor mi'Letamei be'Masa'?

(c) Rav Chisda counter Rava's Kashya with a Beraisa? What does the Beraisa say?

(a) Rava refuted Rav Chisda's Kashya by establishing the Beraisa when the Ubar was already dead.
How does that solve the problem? Who is then the author of the entire Beraisa?

(b) Then why can we not also establish Rav Chisda in the same way?

(c) So how does Rav Chisda reconcile his first two statements with the third one? According to which Tana is he speaking?

(a) What did Rebbi Asi comment when, upon Rebbi Zeira's arrival in Eretz Yisrael, the latter issued the same triple statement as Rav Chisda?

(b) How come Rebbi Asi (who was present when Rebbi Yochanan made that statement) did not know whether Resh Lakish argued with Rebbi Yochanan or not?

(a) How does Rav Kahana explain the Machlokes between Rebbi Shimon Shezuri in our Mishnah (who permits even a five-year old ben Peku'ah plowing in the field, with the Shechitah of its mother), and the Tana Kama (who also permitted a ben Peku'ah without Shechitah)?

(b) What is the Tana Kama's reason?

(c) What does Abaye say about a Kalut ben Peku'ah that stood on the ground?

(d) What does he say in the second Lashon?

(a) What does Rav Mesharshaya (whom we already discussed earlier) say about a baby that a ben Peku'ah fathers from a regular animal, according to Chananya? What does Chananya say?

(b) Is Rav Mesharshaya's opinion unanimous?

(c) Ze'iri Amar Rebbi Chanina rules like Rebbi Shimon Shezuri, even as far as extending the Heter to Shecht a ben Peku'ah to its offspring, in his name.
What does Rebbi Yochanan say?

(a) What did Rav Ashi rule in a case where a wolf attacked a ben Peku'ah and left it a Tereifah?

(b) Why was the owner surprised?

(c) What was the latter's final argument to prove that the Halachah is like Rebbi Shimon Shezuri?

(d) Rav Ashi countered the owner by quoting Rebbi Yonasan (or Rebbi Yochanan).
What does Rebbi Yonasan say regarding ruling like Rebbi Shimon Shezuri?

(a) In a case where someone who has been sentenced to death announces 'Write a Get for my wife!', on what grounds does the Tana Kama in the Mishnah in T'vul Yom rule that witnesses who heard the man's announcement should write the Get and hand it over (even though he failed to mention the handing over).

(b) The Tana Kama adds two cases that they added to the above, one of them is where the husband is about to embark on an overseas trip (a hazard in those days).
What is the other?

(c) What did Rebbi Shimon Shezuri ...

  1. ... add to the list?
  2. ... say, in the Mishnah in D'mai, about Terumas Ma'aser shel D'mai that fell back into the original batch (which is a fraction more than the one in a hundred that is required for Terumah to become Bateil)?
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