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Chulin 86

CHULIN 86-90 - Sponsored by a generous grant from an anonymous donor. Kollel Iyun Hadaf is indebted to him for his encouragement and support and prays that Hashem will repay him in kind.


(a) We ask why Ravin cited Rebbi as having instructed Rebbi Chiya 'Tzei Nechor', and not 'Tzei Terof'.
On what grounds do we refute the suggestion that Rebbi holds Shechitah she'Einah Re'uyah Sh'mah Shechitah'?

(b) So what do we answer? What is the Chidush of 'Tzei Nechor?

(a) To whom was Ravin bar Aba (or Rebbi Avin bar Sh'va) referring when he said that from the time that the B'nei ha'Golah arrived in Eretz Yisrael, neither did the wine turn sour nor did the linen clothes become moth-infested? To which b'nei Golah was he referring?

(b) What other curses did Rebbi Chiya and his sons prevent?

(c) How do we reconcile this with the fact that Rebbi Chiya's own linen clothes became infested with moths?

(d) We compare this to a statement of Rav Yehudah Amar Rav.
What did Rav Yehudah Amar Rav say about 'Chanina B'ni'? To whom does 'Chanina B'ni' refer'?

(a) Under which circumstances does our Mishnah require Kisuy ha'Dam, following the Shechitah of a 'Chashu'?

(b) Which other area of Halachah is affected by this condition?

(c) If they Shechted the mother without supervision, Rebbi Meir permits the Shechitah of the child.
What do the Chachamim say?

(d) What do the Chachamim nevertheless concede to Rebbi Meir?

(a) What problem do we have with the Chachamim, who argue with Rebbi Meir in the Seifa of our Mishnah?

(b) What reason do we initially suggest to explain why, in the Reisha, the Rabbanan will agree that if there is no supervision, the blood will not require Kisuy?

(c) Then why, in the Seifa, do they not, by the same token, permit Shechting the child?

(d) How do we refute the Kashya that in the Reisha too, people might well say that he is only covering the blood in order to keep his yard clean?

(e) And how do we counter the second counter-argument, that in a case where the owner comes to ask whether he needs to cover the blood or not, nobody will think that either?

(a) So how do we finally explain why the Rabbanan do not argue with Rebbi Meir in the Reisha?

(b) If the Rabbanan consider the Shechitah of a 'Chashu' to be a Shechitah mi'Safek (le'Chumra), what does Rebbi Meir hold? Why is he so lenient?

(c) What did Rebbi Ya'akov Amar Rebbi Yochanan say about someone who eats from the Shechitah of a 'Chashu'?

(d) How does Rebbi Ami explain that?

(a) Rav Papa asked Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua (and some say the other way round) why Rebbi Ami requires a majority, because even a Miy'ut will be sufficient.
What is the basis of this Kashya?

(b) How can a Miy'ut be stronger than a Rov?

(c) Which Chazakah are we referring to in our case?

(a) Rav Papa's Kashya is based on Rebbi Meir in a Mishnah in Taharos, where the latter declares Tahor a piece of dough that a child is holding in his hand, as he plays beside a large dough.
What is ...
  1. ... the Miy'ut there?
  2. ... the Chazakah which combines to render the dough Tahor?
(b) What do the Chachamim say?

(c) What did Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua reply to Rav Papa? How did he differentiate between Tum'ah and Isur?

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(a) Which two contradictory rulings did Rebbi issue regarding the Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and the Rabbanan in our Mishnah?

(b) How do we set about resolving the problem?

(c) What did Rebbi Ami tell Rebbi Aba b'rei de'Rebbi Chiya bar Aba and Rebbi Zeira when he found them standing outside the Beis-Hamedrash in the main street of Caesaria?

(d) How did they react?

(a) What did Rebbi Zeira declare when upon entering the Beis-Hamedrash, he heard them discussing precisely our She'eilah 'Hei Minaihu Achrita'?

(b) What made Rebbi Zeira think that Rebbi Aba might solve the problem?

(c) We finally resolve the She'eilah from the message that Rebbi Elazar sent to the b'nei Golah.
Which message?

(a) What does the Tana Kama of our Mishnah say about covering the blood of ...
  1. ... a hundred Chayos or birds that one has just Shechted?
  2. ... a Chayah and a bird that one just Shechted?
(b) What does Rebbi Yehudah say, based on the Pasuk in Acharei-Mos (in connection with Kisuy ha'Dam) "Chayah *O* Of"?

(c) How do the Rabbanan counter Rebbi Yehudah's proof? What do they learn from "O"?

(d) On what grounds does Rebbi Yehudah disagree with that? From where does *he* learn 'Lechalek'?

(a) What do the Rabbanan prove from the Lashon of the Pasuk there "Ki Nefesh *Kol Basar* Damo be'Nafsho Hu"?

(b) According to Rebbi Chanina, in which respect does Rebbi Yehudah agree with the Rabbanan that the Shechitah of a Chayah and of a bird are considered like one?

(a) Ravina (or Rav Acha b'rei de'Rava) queries Rebbi Chanina from an episode that occurred with the Talmidim of Rav, who had just finished their meal. What did they ask Rav Yeiva Saba after informing him that they wished to Bensch? Who was Rav Yeiva Saba?

(b) What did Rav Yeiva Saba, quoting Rav, comment following their latter request?

(c) How does Rav Acha b'rei de'Rava (or Rav Ashi) reconcile Rebbi Chanina with Rav? If Rav considers 'Hav Lan ve'Nevarech' a Hefsek, that requires a fresh B'rachah before one continues to drink, then why is the Kisuy ha'Dam of a Chayah not a Hefsek that requires a fresh B'rachah before one continues to Shecht?

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