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Chulin 105

CHULIN 104-105 - Sponsored by a generous grant from an anonymous donor. Kollel Iyun Hadaf is indebted to him for his encouragement and support and prays that Hashem will repay him in kind.


(a) Beis Shamai in a Beraisa require Kinu'ach (cleaning out one's mouth) between cheese and meat.
What do Beis Hillel say?

(b) What do we prove from Rebbi Zeira, who rules that one is obligated to clean out one's mouth with bread?

(c) What is the problem with then explaining that Beis Shamai require only Kinu'ach, whereas Beis Hillel require Hadachah as well?

(d) So how do we finally explain Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel? What do we mean when we say 've'Lo P'ligi'?

(a) Initially, we qualify Rebbi Zeira ('Ein Kinu'ach Ela be'Pas'), by precluding barley bread from his ruling.
Why is that?

(b) In which case will even ...

  1. ... wheat bread not be eligible?
  2. ... cold, wheat bread not be eligible either?
(c) Why is wheat bread that is ...
  1. ... warm not eligible?
  2. ... hard not eligible either?
(d) What is the Halachah in all these cases?
(a) Rebbi Asi was surprised when Rebbi Yochanan, in answer to his question how long one has to wait between meat and cheese, replied 'not at all'.
What statement had Rav Chisda made about meat and cheese that negated such a possibility?

(b) So what did Rebbi Yochanan really mean to say?

(c) Following Rav Chisda's statement, what did Rav Acha bar Yosef ask him about the meat that is stuck between the teeth?

(d) He replied by citing the Pasuk in Beha'aloscha (in the Parshah of the quails) "ha'Basar Odenu bein Shineihem".
What did he mean by that?

(a) Mar Ukva, whose father used to wait twenty-four hours between meat and cheese, claimed that he was 'vinegar the son of wine' in this matter.
What did he mean by that?

(b) Likewise, Shmuel considered himself 'vinegar the son of wine' compared to his father, when it came to inspecting his property. How often would a. his father, b. he, do so?

(c) What was the purpose of this inspection?

(d) What did Shmuel say about someone who inspects his property every day?

(a) What did Abaye, who faithfully followed Shmuel's advice, once come across his resident gardener doing, whilst on his rounds?

(b) What did the latter reply when Abaye confronted him?

(c) What was his response?

(d) Rav Asi too, followed Shmuel advice, and for a long time, he failed to find any coins.
What happened once, that caused him to exclaim that he had found all of Shmuel's coins?

(a) If Rav Idi bar Avin referred to Mayim Rishonim (before eating bread) as 'Mitzvah', how did he refer to Mayim Achronim?

(b) Which is greater?

(c) How will Rav Idi bar Avin then explain the Beraisa which refers to them both as 'Chovah'?

(d) The Beraisa uses the term 'Reshus' with reference to Mayim Emtza'ayim.
What is 'Mayim Emtza'ayim'?

(a) The Beraisa permits washing Mayim Rishonim even on to the floor.
What does the Tana say about Mayim Acharonim?

(b) Others say that one should not wash Mayim Acharonim on to the floor.
What is the difference between the two Leshonos?

(c) If the Tana permits washing Mayim Rishonim with cold or hot water, what does he say about Mayim Acharonim? Why the difference?

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(a) Rav Yitzchak bar Yosef Amar Rebbi Yanai qualifies the Beraisa, which permits Mayim Rishonim even if they are hot.
What does he say about that?

(b) In the second Lashon, the qualification pertains to the Seifa, which forbids washing with Mayim Acharonim when they are hot.
What is the difference between the two Leshonos?

(a) 'Emtza'ayim Reshus'.
How does Rav Nachman qualify this statement?
Which water does he consider Chovah, even though the washing takes place in the middle of the meal?

(b) Rav Yehudah b'rei de'Rav Chiya attributes the status of Chovah to Mayim Acharonim to Melach Sedomis.
What is the problem with Melach Sedomis? Why does it require Netilas Yadayim after it?

(c) How common was it, according to Abaye?

(d) What did Rav Ashi reply when Rav Acha b'rei de'Rava asked him whether it was necessary to wash Mayim Acharonim after *measuring* Melach Sedomis?

(a) Initially, Abaye ascribed the prohibition of ...
  1. ... pouring the Mayim Acharonim on the floor to the dirt and the waste which the water washes off the hands (and which renders it disgusting).
    What did Rabah teach him?
  2. ... taking something from the table once someone is already holding his cup in his hand to drink, to the fear that someone at the table might become upset and choke over his drink.
    How did Rabah disillusion him?
(b) The latter prohibition only applies under three conditions; the first is that one does not replace whatever one takes, the second that one takes it at least four Amos away from the table.
What is the third?

(c) How far did Mar bar Rav Ashi take this last condition? What was he careful not to take from the table even though it was not food?

(a) Initially, Abaye attributed people clearing away the crumbs after the meal to cleanliness.
What did Rabah teach him?

(b) Why did the angel in charge of poverty have trouble in catching a certain man who, for some reason, his blood (or rather his money) he was after? (c) What made him once think that he had him in his clutches?

(d) What did the man do after he had finished eating?

(e) What did he subsequently hear the angel cry out in frustration?

(a) Initially, Abaye thought that people avoided drinking the froth on beverages because it is disgusting.
What did Abaye teach him? What is the more serious problem in drinking it?

(b) If blowing it aside causes headaches, what will result if one pushes it aside with one's hand?

(c) Then how does one get rid of it safely?

(d) The antidote for nose secretions that result from drinking the froth of wine is to drink beer. What is the antidote for nose secretions that result from drinking the froth of ...

  1. ... beer?
  2. ... water?
(e) What popular saying is based on this last fact?
(a) And how did Rabah disillusion Abaye, who thought that people refrain from eating vegetables still tied in the way that they purchased them, because it looks like gluttony (since they cannot wait until they have been untied)?

(b) How did Rav Chisda and Rabah bar Rav Huna react when ...

  1. ... a witch entered the boat on which they traveling and asked them to allow her to sit with them?
  2. ... she cast a spell, preventing the boat from moving?
(c) There were three things, the witch declared ruefully, that Talmidei-Chachamim did, which prevented her from casting a spell on them. 1. they did not clean themselves (after relieving themselves), using a piece of earthenware; 2. they did not kill lice on their clothes.
What was the third thing?

(d) And what did Rabah tell Abaye, who thought that people refrain from ...

  1. ... eating vegetables that have fallen on the table, because they are disgusting?
  2. ... sitting underneath a drain-pipe, because of the sewage that might fall on them from the pipe?
(a) What did Mar bar Ashi do, when a case was brought before him where some porters rested with the barrel of wine that they were transporting, underneath a drain-pipe, and the barrel split?

(b) Why did Mar bar Rav Ashi reduce the demon's sentence to payment? Why did he not absolve him altogether?

(c) What concession did the demon ask for and receive?

(d) And how did he justify his late arrival? What did he say about anything that is wrapped, sealed or measured?

(a) Abaye initially thought that the reason for the custom to pour out some water from the top of a barrel, was because of the little splinters of wood and straw that float on top of the barrel.
What did Rabah teach him?

(b) What was that demon doing in Rav Papa's house?

(c) Why did he once take longer than expected to fill a barrel from the local river?

(d) What did he say when he saw Rav Papa pouring out a little water from the top of the barrel?

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