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Chulin 107

CHULIN 107 (18 Iyar) - dedicated by Avi and Lily Berger of Queens, NY, in memory of Lily's father, Mr. Benny Krieger (Chananel Benayahu ben Harav Yisrael Avraham Aba), zt"l, after the passing of one year since his Kevurah. Mr. Krieger exemplified Ahavas Chesed, Ahavas Torah and Ahavas Eretz Yisrael.


(a) What concession does Rav present that circumvents the need to wash each time that one eats bread during the course of the day?

(b) Under what condition does he permit it?

(c) What did Rebbi Avina say to the residents of the valley of Arvos? Why specifically to them?

(d) Some say that he said it specifically in case of emergency (where no water was available [not like Rav]). What do others say?

(a) Rav Papa forbids washing in Arita de'Davla.
What is 'Arita de'Davla'?

(b) Why is this not valid because of ...

  1. ... Netilah?
  2. ... Tevilah?
(c) Under which circumstances would it be possible to perform (in the water in the pipe) ...
  1. ... a valid Netilah?
  2. ... a valid Tevilah?
(d) On what grounds would such a Tevilah be invalid if it involved Tevilas ha'Guf (see also Tosfos DH 've'I'?
(a) What did Rava say about washing with a K'li that contains less than a Revi'is?

(b) What other statement did he issue that infers otherwise?

(c) How do we resolve the discrepancy? When does Rava require a Revi'is and when does he not?

(d) And we support this with a Beraisa.
What does the Beraisa say about using a Revi'is for two people?

(a) What did Ameimar reply when Rav Sheishes asked him whether he was particular that a. 'Mana' (that the K'li should be complete [without any defect]), b. the water should be identifiable as water (and not murky), and c. 'Shiura' (the K'li should contain a Revi'is)?

(b) What did Ameimar reply, according to the second Lashon? Regarding which of the three was he not particular?

(c) And he based this on the Beraisa 'va'Afilu li'Shenayim'.
How did he derive from there that one does not require a Revi'is in the K'li at the time of washing (see also Tosfos DH 've'Lo Hi')?

(d) On what grounds do we refute Ameimar's proof?

(a) Rav Ya'akov from Nehar Pakud instituted a washing vessel called 'Natla', whilst Rav Ashi instituted one in Hutzal called 'Kuza'.
What is the difference between them?

(b) What purpose did these two vessels serve?

(a) Rava validates the lid of a barrel that one carved into a receptacle for Netilas Yadayim.
What is the Chidush? Why might we have thought otherwise?

(b) And we corroborate this ruling with a Beraisa.
What does the Tana say about using ...

  1. ... leather flasks?
  2. ... a sack or a box?
(c) Why the difference?
(a) We ask whether someone who did not wash his hands, may wrap them in a cloth instead, and eat accordingly.
Why might this nevertheless be forbidden?

(b) The Mishnah in Sukah cites Rebbi Tzadok, who ate less than a k'Beitzah, which he held with a cloth and ate outside the Sukah.
How do we attempt to resolve our She'eilah from there?

(c) How do we reject this proof?

(d) What did ...

  1. ... Shmuel comment when he once found Rav eating with a cloth wrapped round his hands?
  2. ... Rav reply?
(e) What does this prove?
(a) What did Rebbi Zeira comment when, upon arriving in Eretz Yisrael, he found Rebbi Ami and Rebbi Asi eating with rags wrapped round their hands?

(b) He seemed to have forgotten however, a ruling of Rav Tachlifa bar Avimi Amar Shmuel. What did he say about ...

  1. ... Ochlei Terumah?
  2. ... Ochlei Taharos? Why the difference?
(c) How does this absolve Rebbi Ami and Rebbi Asi?
Answers to questions



(a) What do we ask about 'Ochel Machmas Ma'achil'?

(b) What did Rav Huna bar Sechorah once do when he was standing in front of Rav Hamnuna (see Also Tosfos DH 'Balam')?

(c) We initially interpret his statement that if it hadn't been Rav Hamnuna (a Chacham who was meticulous in his observance), he would not have fed him, to mean that Rav Hamnuna was a Chacham and careful (Zahir) not to touch the food in his mouth.
What does this prove?

(d) How else might we interpret Rav Huna bar Sechorah's statement, that will refute the proof?

(e) Why do we use the Lashon 'Zahir' in the first explanation, and 'Zariz' in the second? What is the difference between the two expressions?

(a) We try to resolve the She'eilah from Rebbi Zeira.
What did Rebbi Zeira Amar Rav say about one of the guests placing a piece of bread in the Shamash's mouth?

(b) And what does he say about a Shamash who ...

  1. ... drinks a few cups of wine?
  2. ... eats a few slices of bread? Why the difference?
(c) What does Rebbi Yochanan say?
(a) How does Rav Papa reconcile Rav with Rebbi Yochanan?

(b) How do we refute the proof from there that someone who is fed nevertheless needs to wash his hands? Why might a Shamash be different?

(c) Why do we not answer that the Shamash needs to wash, because he touches the food whenever he serves it?

(a) Why does the Beraisa forbid feeding the Shamash whilst a cup of wine is in the hand of ...
  1. ... the Ba'al ha'Bayis?
  2. ... the Shamash?
(b) And what does the Tana say about placing a piece of bread in the Shamash's mouth at other times?

(c) What does Raban Shimon ben Gamliel say in a Beraisa about a woman who wants to feed her baby son on Yom Kipur?

(d) What did they decree on Shamai ha'Zaken, who declined to feed his child, because he did not want to wash even one hand on Yom Kipur?

(a) How does Abaye repudiate the proof from this Beraisa that the one who feeds is obligated to wash his hands? If that is not why the Tana permitted the woman to wash her hand, then what is the reason?

(b) We finally resolve the She'eilah from an episode that took place with Shmuel and his father. Why did Avuhah di'Shmuel find his little son crying one day, after the latter returned from Cheder?

(c) To what did Shmuel attribute the slap? Why was he upset?

(d) What was Shmuel's father's response?

(e) What is the final ruling with regard to ...

  1. ... Ochel Machmas Ma'achil?
  2. ... the Ma'achil himself?
(a) Under what condition does our Mishnah permit wrapping meat and cheese together in the same cloth?

(b) What does Raban Shimon ben Gamliel say about two guests at the same guest- house eating at the same table, one meat, the other, cheese?

(c) Bearing in mind that the meat and the cheese are both cold, why should the Tana care whether they touch each other or not?

(d) How does Rav Chanan bar Ami Amar Shmuel qualify the ruling in our Mishnah, permitting two guests to eat at the same table, one meat and the other cheese.
Under which circumstances will this be forbidden?

(a) We support Shmuel's statement with a Beraisa.
What does Raban Shimon ben Gamliel say there that condones it?

(b) What does the Tana mean when he adds 've'Lo Amru Ela bi'Tefisah Achas'?

(c) He cannot possible mean this literally.
So how do we amend it?

(a) What did Abaye reply when Rav Yeimar bar Shalmaya asked him whether two brothers who are cross with each other may eat at the same table, one, meat, the other, cheese?

(b) It is forbidden to wash clothes on Chol ha'Mo'ed.
What does Rav Asi Amar Rebbi Yochanan say about someone who possesses only one shirt?

(c) How does Mar bar Rav Ashi reconcile this with the principle 'Yomru ha'Sarikin Asurin, ve'Sarikei Baytus Mutarin'?

(d) Why will that not apply ...

  1. ... to our case?
  2. ... to the case of 'Kol ha'Sarikin Asurin?
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