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Chulin 112

CHULIN 111-112 - Sponsored by a generous grant from an anonymous donor. Kollel Iyun Hadaf is indebted to him for his encouragement and support and prays that Hashem will repay him in kind.


(a) Rav Dimi asked Rav Nachman whether it is permitted to place a jar of salt beside a jar of milk stew.
Why might it be forbidden?

(b) What did he then ask the latter, after he replied that it was forbidden?

(c) What did Rav Nachman reply ...

  1. ... to that?
  2. ... initially, when Rav Dimi asked him why he ruled differently in the two cases?
(d) How did he subsequently explain his two rulings?
(a) What did Rav Chin'na b'rei de'Rava mi'Pashrunya rule in the case where a dove fell into a jar of milk stew (which contains a lot of salt)?

(b) What did Rava exclaim when he heard that ruling?

(c) Why was it not forbidden because of Shmuel's principle 'Meli'ach Harei Hu ke'Rose'ach' (in which case the dove ought to have absorbed some of the taste of the milk stew)?

(a) We qualify Rav Chin'na's ruling, however, confining to where the bird is raw.
What would be the Din if it was ...
  1. ... roasted?
  2. ... raw but contained cracks in its skin?
(b) Under which other circumstances would it be forbidden even if its skin was not cracked?
(a) What does Rav Nachman Amar Shmuel say about a loaf of bread on which one cut a piece of roasted meat?

(b) He only forbids it however, under three conditions. The meat must be red and the juice must have gone right through the bread.
What is the third condition?

(c) Shmuel would throw the bread to his dog.
What would Rav Huna do with it?

(d) If Rav Huna himself was forbidden to eat it, how could he give it to his servant?

(e) What did Rava used to do?

(a) What does Rav Nachman say about placing a drip-tray underneath a piece of roasting meat to collect the gravy?

(b) How does one know when all the blood has drained?

(c) On what grounds does Rav Ashi refute this gauge?

(d) What can one then do to permit the gravy, according to Rav Ashi?

(e) Why does Rav Ashi mention specifically two grains of salt?

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(a) Rav Acha b'rei de'Rav Ika queries Rav Ashi from the ruling of Shmuel that we cited earlier, where he forbade the loaf on which one cut meat. According to Rav Ashi, what ought Shmuel to have said?

(b) What did Rav Ashi reply?

(a) What does Rav Nachman say about birds and fish that have been salted together in the same K'li?

(b) What would be the Din if the fish was salted together with Basar Beheimah?

(c) Why can he not be speaking about a K'li that has no holes for the blood to drain?

(d) If on the other hand, he is speaking about one which does, why is the fish forbidden?

(a) What happened when Rav Mari bar Rachel was salting meat? What did he discover among the batch of salted pieces?

(b) In what sort of vessel was he salting them?

(c) What does the Beraisa learn from the extra 'Hey' in the Pasuk in Shemini (in connection with Sheratzim) "Eileh ha'Teme'im"?

(d) What did Rav Mari bar Rachel now ask Rava, based on this D'rashah?

(a) What was Rava's reply?

(b) Why could we not learn this from Shmuel's principle 'Meli'ach Harei Hu ke'Rose'ach ... '?

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