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Chulin 116

CHULIN 116 (27 Iyar) - Dedicated by Gitle Bekelnitzky in honor of the sixth Yahrzeit of her father, Zev ben Ephraim v'Chaya Krause.


(a) We just concluded that there is no Pircha to ask on the case of Kil'ayim (vis-a-vis Basar be'Chalav). We query this with the Pircha 'Mah li'Kelai ha'Kerem she'Kein Lo Haysah Lah Sha'as ha'Kosher' (like we asked on Orlah).
On what misconception is this Kashya based?

(b) What does Rav Ada bar Ahavah therefore answer?

(a) Rav Shemaya bar Ze'ira queries this however, from a Beraisa. What does the Tana say about a plant pot with a hole containing seeds that one transports through a vine-yard? Under what condition does the Tana ...
  1. ... forbid the growth?
  2. ... permit it?
(b) What does this prove?

(c) Abaye answers by citing two Pesukim in Ki Seitzei.
How does he establish the Pasuk ...

  1. ... "Pen Tikdash ha'Melei'ah"?
  2. ... "ha'Zera"? What does he learn from them?
(d) We establish our Mishnah not like Rebbi Shimon ben Yehudah.
What does Rebbi Shimon ben Yehudah in the name of Rebbi Shimon learn from the 'Gezeirah-Shavah' "Ki Am Kadosh Atah" and "ve'Anshei Kodesh Tih'yun Li"?
(a) What problem do we have with Rebbi Akiva, who precludes Chayah, Of and Beheimah Teme'ah from the prohibition of Basar be'Chalav from the three times *G'di*" in the Torah?

(b) How do we dispense with the Kashya from ...

  1. ... 'Cheilev' and 'Meisah'?
  2. ... 'Sh'lil'? ... In which point does Rebbi Akiva not hold like Shmuel?
(a) One of the differences between Rebbi Akiva in our Mishnah ('Chayah ve'Of Einah min ha'Torah') and Rebbi Yossi Hagelili ('es she'Asur Mishum Neveilah Asur Levashel be'Chalav') is a Chayah. What does each Tana hold?

(b) Alternatively, they argue over Of.
What does each one hold there?

(c) This latter interpretation of their Machlokes has the support of a Beraisa. On what grounds did the residents of Rebbi Eliezer's town used to cut wood on Shabbos to burn a fire to make charcoal?

(d) And what does the Tana say about Rebbi Yossi Hagelili about cooking fowl in milk?

(a) What was Levi's reaction when he arrived at the house of Yosef the bird hunter, when he saw that they served a peacock's head that had been cooked in milk?

(b) What did Rebbi maintain he ought to have done?

(c) How did Levi justify his silence? Who was the Rav of the town?

(a) What is our Mishnah referring to, when it forbids the Keivah of Nochrim and of Neveilah?

(b) What does the Tana rule about placing milk inside an animal's stomach (to manufacture cheese)? When is it forbidden?

(c) And what distinction does he draw between a Kasher animal that suckled from a Tereifah, and a Tereifah that suckled from a Kesheirah?

(d) Why is that?

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(a) On what grounds do some Poskim want to permit congealed milk that one finds inside an animal's stomach if they were salted together, or if one added other milk, in order to manufacture cheese?

(b) What precedent do they cite for this?

(c) Why is there no comparison at all between the two cases?

(d) Why does the milk that one added not become Bateil?

(a) On what grounds did Rashi originally permit the congealed milk, provided no other milk was added?

(b) And he based this error on a Mishnah in Avodah-Zarah.
What does the Tana say there about the Keivah of an Olah?

(c) Rashi's mistake was based on the fact that the milk under discussion is referred to there as 'Pirsha be'Alma'.
What does it really mean in that context?

(d) Why does the Mishnah there forbid the same congealed milk if it is found inside an animal of Avodah-Zarah?

(a) What problem do we have with our Mishnah, which refers to 'the stomach that one obtains from a Nochri and the stomach of Neveilah'?

(b) Rav Huna establishes the former by the stomach of a kid-goat that one purchased from the Nochri, and we are afraid that it may have suckled from a Tereifah. We query this however, from a Beraisa.
What does the Tana say about purchasing eggs from a Nochri? Why might we have thought that it is forbidden?

(c) So we ascribe the prohibition to the fear that the kid may have suckled from a Beheimah Temei'ah. Why are we more afraid of that than of it having fed from a Tereifah?

(d) In that case, why do we not forbid the milk that one finds inside the stomach of a kid goat, even if it belongs to a Yisrael?

(a) Shmuel explains that 'Keivas Akum ve'shel Neveilah' is actually one statement.
What does he mean by that?

(b) What reason does Shmuel give for the prohibition of cheese that is manufactured by a Nochri?

(c) How do we reconcile that with his current statement, which considers the congealed milk itself, Neveilah?

(a) To what did Rebbi Yehoshua originally attribute the Chachamim's prohibition on Nochri cheese?

(b) What did Rebbi Yishmael say that forced him to retract?

(c) What reason did Rebbi Yehoshua subsequently give for the prohibition?

(a) The Seifa of our Mishnah permits the congealed milk that one finds inside a Tereifah.
How does Rav Chisda try to reconcile this with the Reisha, which forbids 'Keivas Akum ve'shel Neveilah', by differentiating between Neveilah and Tereifah?

(b) On what grounds does Rava reject Rav Chisda's answer? Why is the opposite more logical?

(c) So how does Rav Yitzchak Amar Rebbi Yochanan reconcile the Reisha of the Mishnah with the Seifa?

(d) If the Seifa speaks after Rebbi Yehoshua retracted, why did Rebbi not remove the Reisha from the text?

(a) What distinction did Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan draw with regard to making cheese by placing it in congealed milk, between whether the milk was found inside a Neveilah on the one hand, or inside an animal that was Shechted by a Nochri, on the other?

(b) What did Rebbi Shimon bar Aba mean when he suggested that this was the opinion of Rebbi Eliezer?

(c) Why does this render it Asur?

(d) What did Rebbi Chiya bar Aba comment following Rebbi Shimon bar Aba's suggestion?

(a) What do we finally rule with regard to placing cheese ...
  1. ... in the stomach of a Neveilah?
  2. ... in the congealed milk that one finds in the stomach of a Neveilah?
  3. ... in the congealed milk that one finds an animal that was Shechted by a Nochri?
(b) What is the reason for the latter ruling?
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