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Chulin 121


(a) We learned in our Mishnah that 'Elel' combines to be Metamei Tum'as Ochlin. According to Rebbi Yochanan, 'Elel' is the Gid of the spine and the neck (known as the cervical ligament).
What are its specifications?

(b) What does Resh Lakish say?

(c) What does the Pasuk in Iyov "ve'Ulam Atem Toflei Sheker Rof'ei Elil Kulchem" imply, that poses a Kashya on Resh Lakish?

(d) How do we resolve the discrepancy between the Pasuk and Resh Lakish's interpretation of our Mishnah?

(a) Rebbi Yehudah ascribes to Elel that one gathered to one place the Din of Neveilah, provided that it constitutes a k'Zayis.
How do we reconcile this with the Tana Kama, who specifically said 'Aval Lo Tum'as Neveilos'?

(b) In which case will Rebbi Yehudah concede that even a k'Zayis Elel in one place is not Metamei?

(c) Why can Rebbi Yehudah not be referring to the Gid ha'Shedrah?

(d) In that case, how will we reconcile Rebbi Yochanan with Rebbi Yehudah?

(a) What problem do we have with Elel 'Mah Nafshach', if it means 'Basar she'Paltaso Sakin', assuming that one ...
  1. ... had in mind to eat it?
  2. ... did not have in mind to eat it?
(b) Rebbi Avin and Rebbi Meisha argue over this point. One of them establishes our Mishnah in a case where someone thought about part of it, and part of it, he didn't.
What does he mean by that? How does this explain Elel in our Mishnah?

(c) The other one establishes it when part of it was bitten by a Chayah, loosening some of the Basar, to which the Shochet added some more after part of it was cut away by a knife.
What does he mean?

(a) What three rulings does the Mishnah in Taharos issue regarding the beak and the claws of a bird?

(b) Assuming that the Tana is talking about a Nivlas ha'Of, why is it not Tamei anyway?

(c) What problem do we have with this ruling regarding the beak?

(d) Rebbi Elazar establishes it by the lower beak.
How does Rav Papa amend that, bearing in mind that the lower beak is as hard as the upper one?

(e) And how does ...

  1. ... Rebbi Elazar interpret the claws (which are hard too)?
  2. ... Rav Papa establish the horns, referred to in our Mishnah?
(a) With reference to our Mishnah, 'ha'Shochet Beheimah Temei'ah le'Nochri, u'Mefarcheses, Metamei Tum'as Ochlin', what do the Tana'im (cited by Rebbi Asi) say is required besides Machshavah, to render that animal susceptible to Tum'ah?

(b) In which other case will Machshavah help, even though the animal may not in fact, be eaten? Why is that?

(c) And what would be the Din if ...

  1. ... a Yisrael were to Shecht a Beheimah Tehorah, which is still convulsing?
  2. ... a Nochri were to Shecht a Beheimah Temei'ah?
(d) How do we reconcile our Mishnah with the prohibition of eating part of an animal before it is completely dead?
(a) Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael learns from the Pasuk in Shemini (in connection with Hechsher Lekabeil Tum'ah) "ve'Chi Yutan Mayim al Zera"? What is meant by a Tum'ah Chamurah?

(b) What determines that something cannot become an Av ha'Tum'ah, even through contact with a Meis?

(c) Rebbi Yossi in a Beraisa rules that a Nivlas Of Tahor requires Machchavah, before it can adopt Tum'as Ochel.
What does he say about Hechsher?

(d) What problem does this pose on the Tana'im cited by Rebbi Asi?

(e) How does Chizkiyah answer the Kashya?

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(a) Rebbi Yirmiyah queries Chizkiyah from another ruling of his. In a case where, after Shechitah, an animal is still convulsing, Chizkiyah says that a ben No'ach will not be punished for eating Eiver min ha'Chai.
What does Rebbi Yochanan say?

(b) On what grounds will Rebbi Yochanan concede to Chizkiyah that in the equivalent case, but by a Beheimah Tehorah, the Nochri is not Chayav?

(c) What did Rebbi Yirmiyah ask from here on Chizkiyah's previous statement?

(d) What did Rebbi Zeira reply? How did he reconcile both of Chizkiyah's statements?

(a) Rebbi Elazar cites Rav Oshaya's Beraisa in support of Rebbi Yochanan.
What does the Tana rule in a case where a Yisrael has Shechted Shenayim or Rov Shenayim of a Beheimah Temei'ah that is still convulsing, with regard to ...
  1. ... Tum'as Ochlin?
  2. ... Tum'as Neveilos?
(b) What does the Tana say about an Eiver or Basar that is detached from it?

(c) Which of the Beraisa's rulings conforms with Rebbi Yochanan?

(a) What does the Tana rule, regarding the same Tamei animal, where the Yisrael ...
  1. ... Shechted one Siman or Rov of one Siman?
  2. ... performed Nechirah on it?
(b) And what does the Tana say about these two cases, there where a Nochri performed the Shechitah or the Nechirah on behalf of a Yisrael, and not vice-versa?

(c) If however, the Nochri Shechted Shenayim or Rov Shenayim on behalf of a Yisrael, the Beraisa rules that it is Tamei Tum'as Ochlin but not Tum'as Neveilos.
What does the Tana say about a Nochri eating an Eiver or Basar that is detached from it?

(d) And what does the Beraisa say about case where ...

  1. ... the Nochri Shechted half the Kaneh of a Beheimah Tehorah (which does not render the animal a Tereifah), and a Yisrael came and completed the Shechitah?
  2. ... a Yisrael began the Shechitah (irrespective of whether it was a place which rendered the animal a Tereifah or not) and a Nochri completed it?
(a) Finally, the Tana issues instructions to someone wishes to eat a piece of meat that has been cut from an animal before it actually died.
What two things must he do to it?

(b) It is obvious why it needs to be rinsed particularly well. But why does it require a more thorough salting than other meat?

(c) When is he permitted to eat it?

(d) Is a Nochri permitted to eat it?

(a) The Tana's last statement supports Rav Idi bar Avin.
What did Rav Idi bar Avin Amar Rebbi Yitzchak bar Ashi'an say about cutting off a k'Zayis of meat from the Beis ha'Shechitah, that is not mentioned in the Beraisa?

(b) What did Rebbi Elazar ask in connection with the above Beraisa, where the Yisrael or the Nochri performed Shehiyah of D'rasah in the course of the Shechitah?

(c) What did that old man extrapolate from Rebbi Yochanan, who said that the Shechitah requires Hechsher just like a regular Shechitah? How did he try to resolve Rebbi Elazar's She'eilah from there?

(d) We refute his proof however, by citing Rav Shmuel bar Yitzchak.
How did Rav Shmuel bar Yitzchak interpret Rebbi Yochanan's statement?

(a) Rebbi Zeira asked Rav Sheishes whether the same animal saves 'absorbed' Keilim from Tum'ah.
What did he mean?

(b) What did the former retort when the latter replied 'Metam'in Tum'as Ochlin, u'Matzeles'?!

(c) Abaye adopted the ruling of Rav Sheishes.
What did he say that seems to clash with that?

(d) What does Abaye really hold?

(a) How does Rav Huna qualify Rebbi Yehudah's ruling regarding Elel ha'Mechunas? In which case will Rebbi Yehudah agree that one is not Chayav for eating Neveilah?

(b) Why not?

(c) How will we reconcile this with the Din that we learned in 'Beheimah ha'Maksheh' 'Or she'Shalko, Metamei Tum'as Ochlin'?

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